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thesquanderer

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36. the Budapest Memorandum was also an "assurance" from the United States to Ukraine,

Wed Mar 16, 2022, 09:45 AM

Mar 2022

which ended up meaning nothing.

Check that wiki link, about the meaning of the word "assurance" vs. "guarantee," and how the U.S. went out of their way to avoid any obligation, which would have required Senate approval. So we only provided a meaningless "assurance."

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**BREAKING**: Russia claims 'parts of peace deal' with Ukraine are close to being agreed [View all] uponit7771 Mar 2022 OP

I'd expect that they end up with the two districts and no NATO underpants Mar 2022 #1

Problem is that was their entire wish list prior to the invasion unblock Mar 2022 #6

I don't think so. I doubt Ukraine will agree to that. Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #40

Neutral hmm... they leave if Ukraine doesn't join NATO... unblock Mar 2022 #2

"informal assurances" sounds a lot like the toothless Budapest Memorandum thesquanderer Mar 2022 #25

Any assurance from Russia would be laughable of course, but unblock Mar 2022 #27

The US and UK also made assurances... Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #28

the Budapest Memorandum was also an "assurance" from the United States to Ukraine, thesquanderer Mar 2022 #36

Well legally, our treaties are meaningless even with senate approval unblock Mar 2022 #44

Chess is a great analogy Buckeyeblue Mar 2022 #3

+1, NEVER FUCKING EVER and anyone affiliated with that fucker goes down with him ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #5

Not a draw. Everything they actually wanted. unblock Mar 2022 #8

Trust in Russia is -0- . .. . Lovie777 Mar 2022 #4

Well... Mike Nelson Mar 2022 #7

I. Don't. Trust. Putin. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2022 #9

can't be trusted. barbtries Mar 2022 #10

... And now we have kremlin confirmationwhy faux snooz can't be trusted. pazzyanne Mar 2022 #24

can only hope barbtries Mar 2022 #26

Ukraine needs to agree only to Russia leaving all of Ukraine and pay reparation costs. LiberalFighter Mar 2022 #11

Zelensky seems to say slow your roll on this. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2022 #12

+1, just saw this ... will update uponit7771 Mar 2022 #18

So Russia claims peace deal is being discussed... cayugafalls Mar 2022 #13

+1 2naSalit Mar 2022 #31

He wants to buy time to re-supply men and equipment. kentuck Mar 2022 #14

Lavrov tells more lies per minute than Trump ever did and does it standing on his head in quicksand. Ford_Prefect Mar 2022 #15

Like an abuser saying they might stop punching you in the face soon IronLionZion Mar 2022 #16

+1, uponit7771 Mar 2022 #20

Ukraine said yesterday "some" progress had been made. AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #17

I don't believe ANYTHING Russia says. AllyCat Mar 2022 #19

Don't trust a word they say. They'll announce a peace JoanofArgh Mar 2022 #21

Russia, armed to the teeth, just invaded its neutral neighbor who made no hostile move whatsoever DFW Mar 2022 #22

From thousands of miles away anamnua Mar 2022 #23

I don't believe this for a second, and I doubt they do either. smirkymonkey Mar 2022 #29

"Russia claims" luv2fly Mar 2022 #30

They are sorta backing down from there invasion...now that the US is going to be sending turbinetree Mar 2022 #32

Russia cannot be trusted. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #33

Ukraine's idea for peace in Ukriane: Botany Mar 2022 #34

+1. Putin routinely targets civilians dalton99a Mar 2022 #37

"+1. Putin routinely targets civilians" Botany Mar 2022 #38

I think it's Russia being as clueless as it thinks the rest of the world is. AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #39

peace , no peace untill u get out of ukr and crimea AllaN01Bear Mar 2022 #35

Sanctions should remain until Putin is gone. BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #41

Absolutely. dalton99a Mar 2022 #43

This invasion has been a tremendous embarrassment for him.... marmar Mar 2022 #42