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47. Please try to understand the distinction - there's respect for a belief

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 05:20 PM

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and then there's respect for the right to believe. The right to believe is what makes freedom of speech sacred. Speech is just a verbalization of an idea, and ideas are beliefs.

For example, take this discussion we've been having. You refuse to give respect for people who are religious, and insist that all who do so are automatic hypocrites. You rationalize this by saying that things not based in fact aren't worthy of respect.

Yet presented with the obvious truth that you cannot simply lump all people (not even most people, but all people!), you refused to change your statements. Your idea (that all "believers" are all alike) is very enthusiastically held, despite evidence to the contrary.

Your idea is your belief, and not based in fact.

Quit acting as if the religious want to convert you when they ask for respect. Everyone has the right to believe.

Not just the religious, but me as as well. Even you.

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Hey Mourdock! If rape pregnancy is god's will, then [View all] Lionessa Oct 2012 OP

Forget Viagra, guys HockeyMom Oct 2012 #1

Ding ding ding! There's another good example. Lionessa Oct 2012 #2

Double ding! nt ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #9

No condoms, no Viagra, ban it all! napkinz Oct 2012 #23

I really dont know how such fundies get to hold seats in the government darkangel218 Oct 2012 #3

They can't use what they don't have. N/T cognoscere Oct 2012 #18

but when his dick goes limp (according to god's will) why does he take a Viagra? NightWatcher Oct 2012 #4

Actually Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #5

All medical intervention is against god's will. Period. Anyone claiming to be pious in anyway who Lionessa Oct 2012 #6

That's complete nonsense demwing Oct 2012 #24

No it isn't, you folks just rationalize your way out of believing in god's will when it suits you. Lionessa Oct 2012 #25

I understand you want to score argument points demwing Oct 2012 #26

I don't need to score points, I'm right, about all folks that claim religion then run to doctors. Lionessa Oct 2012 #28

You undermine your own credibility demwing Oct 2012 #29

Fortunately the opinions of those who believe in mythical bs are in no position to effectively rate Lionessa Oct 2012 #30

No, your not knowing what the hell you're talking about demwing Oct 2012 #38

"knowing", really you're going to try to suggest that those that believe in myths have "knowing" Lionessa Oct 2012 #40

I don't care what others believe - that's up to them demwing Oct 2012 #41

Sweeping statement or not, I stand by it. Lionessa Oct 2012 #42

I see, you don't give a damn demwing Oct 2012 #43

I don't deal in beliefs, I deal in facts and knowledge. Giving beliefs credibility is essentially Lionessa Oct 2012 #46

Please try to understand the distinction - there's respect for a belief demwing Oct 2012 #47

I understand completely, you're just wrong, Good day. Lionessa Oct 2012 #48

lol demwing Oct 2012 #49

Where the fuck is Jim Jones when we need him? RagAss Oct 2012 #7

I am not sure H2O Man Oct 2012 #8

There is a huge push these days to alter one's boobs size. Lionessa Oct 2012 #10

Yes, I am aware H2O Man Oct 2012 #35

Of course, but that doesn't address what I'm commenting on, Lionessa Oct 2012 #36

All ailments libodem Oct 2012 #11

Tell me please which religion, in it's pure form, according to it's doctrines Lionessa Oct 2012 #12

I understand libodem Oct 2012 #17

Maybe it is god's will that I come to his house and kick him in the balls? mysuzuki2 Oct 2012 #13

More examples of Children pregnancies that God intended to happen according to Jumping John Oct 2012 #14

If rape is God's will...then... RichGirl Oct 2012 #15

In fairness, Lionessa Oct 2012 #16

Also... the election of Obama to the presidency of the United States. salin Oct 2012 #19

That has nothing to do with this topic. Lionessa Oct 2012 #20

I was speaking to logic. I appologize for taking such a far jump, but the logic is the same. salin Oct 2012 #21

If it is God's Will, then even when the woman's life is at risk, wouldn't aborting rustydog Oct 2012 #22

The GOP Plan For Women FieryLocks Oct 2012 #27

Wow! StarryNite Oct 2012 #32

His "logic" is so full of holes a sieve would hold more water. StarryNite Oct 2012 #31

Mark Twain wrote about this. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #33

They should've thanked Walter Reed, and realized that if their god actually existed, he was a Lionessa Oct 2012 #34

Which is exactly what Mark Twain was getting at. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #37

Good. That's what I thought, but wasn't quite sure. Lionessa Oct 2012 #39

Here's another - If rape is God's will, so is Terrorism demwing Oct 2012 #44

True dat. Lionessa Oct 2012 #45