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ChazII

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Tue Mar 29, 2022, 08:55 AM

Mar 2022

My son looked like Disney's version of the Hunchback of Notre Dame. Called freak or monster on a daily basis or being told that Halloween is over and take off the mask was not a once in a year comment.

As many here at DU know Jay passed in 2020 from the same brain tumor that took President Biden's son as well as Sen McCain.

I taught him to use humor. When called 'Fat Cheek' by his peers he would say, "My what good eyes you have. You are doing to be a great detective some day." Yes, Jay hurt and in his grade schools years he would cry and beg me not to send him to school.

Perhaps Will Smith with his quick wit and talent with words could have slapped Chris down verbally. I have been as a mom in those shoes where you want to protect your loved one.

Thank you for your last two sentences. They are something that needs to be sees as often as Live, Love, Laugh.

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Anyone minimizing the harm of Chris Rock's "joke" needs to learn more about alopecia, [View all] pnwmom Mar 2022 OP

I'm not trashing this thread Hekate Mar 2022 #1

Regardless, Will Smith was out of line to physically assault Chris Rock. n/t xocetaceans Mar 2022 #2

He also is a hypocrite FreeState Mar 2022 #4

Yes robleb Mar 2022 #23

I never said Will should have hit anyone. But I'm tired of people focusing all their anger on him, pnwmom Mar 2022 #5

How many Best Actor Awards go to African American men? speak easy Mar 2022 #34

Not self-pity. Anger to see a loved one hurt. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #82

You're correct. You did not say that Rock should have been hit by Smith. xocetaceans Mar 2022 #104

Jada's husband was up for Best Actor. Should they have not sat in the front row? pnwmom Mar 2022 #105

No, I agree with your suggestion. Comedy can be just as good without aiming it at anyone. xocetaceans Mar 2022 #116

Thank you for understanding. I think the other kind of comedy is more work, pnwmom Mar 2022 #118

Let's not minimize Will Smith's criminal assault while we're at it. Duncan Grant Mar 2022 #3

I'm more focused on the harm done to Jada, and to millions of others pnwmom Mar 2022 #9

Yeah. as long as we don't minimize Chris Rock's cruel mockery of whathehell Mar 2022 #10

+1, gob smacking people are somewhat equating the two uponit7771 Mar 2022 #17

Why? The words of abuse can ring louder and longer in the ear than a slap. txwhitedove Mar 2022 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Mar 2022 #38

Yes, and let's stop co-opting us black women via problematic 'helpless victim' memes that are then Celerity Mar 2022 #42

Thank you! Solomon Mar 2022 #50

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 Talked to wifey and niece about this and they said same thing !! Also, WS ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #64

That was Kareem's take on substack Dorian Gray Mar 2022 #94

This is one of the most insightful posts made about the aftermath. Duncan Grant Mar 2022 #101

It is not minimizing to point out pinkstarburst Mar 2022 #53

I say assault and violence is a greater offense than being a comedian. Duncan Grant Mar 2022 #93

Thank you. Both men were wrong. I'm on Team Jada and Team Alopecia. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #132

By all means let's only worry about the men. we can do it Mar 2022 #141

Isn't this known as pointless perseveration? Duncan Grant Mar 2022 #142

chris rock showed us the kind of human he is, and he's made a career of it nt msongs Mar 2022 #6

Whatever you do, don't listen to old clips of Don Rickles. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #36

+1000 Celerity Mar 2022 #41

There are those among us that are pure as the driven snow. CrackityJones75 Mar 2022 #63

And Will Smith added years to Chris Rock's career, with that slap and that language. Paladin Mar 2022 #65

+1, ... or just getting up and leave until break were Smith could talk to Rock about her condition uponit7771 Mar 2022 #66

And how would that have helped all the TV viewers with Alopecia who understood pnwmom Mar 2022 #84

But how did slapping Dorian Gray Mar 2022 #98

Bingo +1 Will made the whole joke about himself. Emile Mar 2022 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author krawhitham Mar 2022 #123

Chris Rock showed us what type of comedian he is and that is his career. PufPuf23 Mar 2022 #97

My heart goes out to those who suffer from alopecia and anyone bullied for any reason unblock Mar 2022 #7

The choice she made " to put her head on display"??? I can't believe I just read that on DU. pnwmom Mar 2022 #11

Does alopecia get a special exemption from comedic roasting? unblock Mar 2022 #14

It's a medical disease, so yes. As the National Alopecia Areata Foundation pnwmom Mar 2022 #15

But roasting over height or weight or religion or national origin is fine? unblock Mar 2022 #18

I don't care for Don Rickles style humor no matter who does it. pnwmom Mar 2022 #22

You must have missed Ricky Gervais' set. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #37

But Chris Rock knows more than most of your relatives about Alopecia. pnwmom Mar 2022 #39

First of all, it wasn't a "Roast, it was an award show with whathehell Mar 2022 #19

The academy awards have long included some roasting of the audience members. unblock Mar 2022 #20

agreed robleb Mar 2022 #25

Then they should stop. There's no reason to continue, if these comedians pnwmom Mar 2022 #26

That I can agree with. I'm not a fan of insult comedy. unblock Mar 2022 #56

Some, maybe, but those do not, and shouldn't, include disability whathehell Mar 2022 #27

Just about all roasting is for sadists and bullies unblock Mar 2022 #57

WHAT WAS THE CRUEL JOKE? Dorian Gray Mar 2022 #99

The " joke" is she has hardly any hair left whathehell Mar 2022 #108

I get that we don't control what we are sensitive about Dorian Gray Mar 2022 #135

Both Smith and Rock have apologized for their behaviors whathehell Mar 2022 #139

I would think medical conditions qualify as hands off material elias7 Mar 2022 #35

+1000 pnwmom Mar 2022 #40

I agree unblock Mar 2022 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author unblock Mar 2022 #8

Last night we saw that two wrongs definitely don't make a right. roamer65 Mar 2022 #12

The joke was insensitive and deserved push back. Kablooie Mar 2022 #13

He shouldn't have hit him. But how would private words helped all the TV viewers pnwmom Mar 2022 #16

During the middle of a show you can't really fix it. Kablooie Mar 2022 #21

So the comedian can engage in hurtful "jokes" in public, and no one else can respond pnwmom Mar 2022 #24

No, it is just not okay to go on stage and physically assault GumboYaYa Mar 2022 #102

I've repeatedly said what Smith did was wrong. But so was what Rock did. pnwmom Mar 2022 #103

how did the slap help TV viewers with Alopecia? fishwax Mar 2022 #91

Not in any way condoning Rock however I recall when Stephen Colbert roasted Bush and no one cstanleytech Mar 2022 #28

What disease did Colbert roast Bush for? None that I can recall. pnwmom Mar 2022 #30

The point is not what he said but rather what Smith decided to do about it as he had other options cstanleytech Mar 2022 #31

Again, I'm not justifying what Smith did. I'm saying that too many people pnwmom Mar 2022 #33

Both men were wrong. chwaliszewski Mar 2022 #29

Agreed. nt cstanleytech Mar 2022 #32

I'm just seeing Cersei Lannister in all this Sympthsical Mar 2022 #43

No more fat jokes, the person might have a disease. fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #44

Yes, no more making fun of people luv2fly Mar 2022 #45

How about no more making fun of other people's medical condition or disability for laughs? pnwmom Mar 2022 #46

+1 ChazII Mar 2022 #55

I'm so sorry for your unspeakable loss, and that other human beings made it even more painful. pnwmom Mar 2022 #77

I'm so sorry for what your son went through MustLoveBeagles Mar 2022 #79

What do you lose by deciding not to make fun of someone's appearance? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #48

A Whole Lot RobinA Mar 2022 #85

. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #86

It sounds like you're fine with bullies! Nt USALiberal Mar 2022 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Mar 2022 #68

How about just not making fun of people's appearances, period? AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #71

Taking Smith's action out of it completely treestar Mar 2022 #89

I miss intelligent comics who didn't depend on Don Rickles insults to make jokes. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #113

Agreed. And the ones who could be funny without expletives. treestar Mar 2022 #140

"Jada, I love you. GI Jane 2, can't wait to see you." Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #47

The National Alopecia Areata Foundation disagrees with you. pnwmom Mar 2022 #51

Will Smith might have believed he was protecting his wife. Emile Mar 2022 #49

That is indeed very old fashioned and anti-feminist treestar Mar 2022 #92

If you bully someone with a disability, or medical condition, etc, Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2022 #52

Excellent post pinkstarburst Mar 2022 #54

I think Will Smith deserves credit for standing up for someone else's woman like that. nt LexVegas Mar 2022 #59

LOL I see what you did there! Emile Mar 2022 #60

lofl ... and these jokes will keep comin !!! Smith made it worse ... lol uponit7771 Mar 2022 #69

Thank you for a much needed post, and for the grace you've shown Native Mar 2022 #61

The slap was a 2 second pain for Rock. The "joke" will be a lifetime shame for Jada. LizBeth Mar 2022 #70

If it were off camera, different story. But the Oscars makes it her lifetime moniker lindysalsagal Mar 2022 #73

Will's actions gave the "joke" eternal life fishwax Mar 2022 #100

Of course you could say that, but his inaction would have been judged, as well. lindysalsagal Mar 2022 #109

nobody worth worrying about would have judged him if he'd simply supported his wife instead of fishwax Mar 2022 #110

It is strange to me that most people agree that insulting people is wrong ripcord Mar 2022 #72

This is what I have never accepted and am hearing so clearly today. LizBeth Mar 2022 #81

That used to be the exception, but some here are claiming it's the rule. pnwmom Mar 2022 #83

It's Reminding Me RobinA Mar 2022 #87

They don't ibegurpard Mar 2022 #120

Yes and no. SYFROYH Mar 2022 #74

If that's now a normal part of the Oscars, they should end it and go back pnwmom Mar 2022 #115

and that's why the academy is investigating, oh wait, Will Smith! Emile Mar 2022 #75

I don't think you get it. Goodheart Mar 2022 #76

I have seen quite a number of people on DU say some version of "it was just a joke." pnwmom Mar 2022 #80

Thank you for that...a girl at my daughter's high school attempted suicide over the same thing... Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #78

If only Smith had not hit him, but made a statement to the press treestar Mar 2022 #88

Oh Please. Stop attempting to justify the violence. Evergreen Emerald Mar 2022 #90

I haven't said a word to justify the violence. I just want people to stop minimizing pnwmom Mar 2022 #114

If Rock didn't know she had alopecia, the wrong belongs entirely to the Smiths gulliver Mar 2022 #95

Rock DOES know that many Black women do have an autoimmune Alopecia -- 15% -- pnwmom Mar 2022 #112

K&R GoodRaisin Mar 2022 #96

My daughter had it, no joke kids called her baldy, but Smith should not hit anybody RANDYWILDMAN Mar 2022 #107

I didn't say he should have hit anybody. But there are people her claiming Rock's joke was harmless pnwmom Mar 2022 #111

Perhaps someday our culture will advance to the point where bald really is beautiful andym Mar 2022 #117

I loved that movie and she was incredibly beautiful! betsuni Mar 2022 #137

Not necessary to minimize what an inappropriate joke it was ibegurpard Mar 2022 #119

It isn't necessary to minimize it but plenty of people are doing it anyway. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #126

Bullying of Kids is a horrible thing and serious issue that we haven't done enough JI7 Mar 2022 #121

My OP isn't about Will Smith. It's about Jada and Rock and his joke about her bald head. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #127

And it's still not the same as the bullying of kids in school JI7 Mar 2022 #136

The National Alopecia Areata Foundation disagrees with you. pnwmom Mar 2022 #138

Time this thread was retired canetoad Mar 2022 #122

Whoa. I think it's time for you to leave. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #128

Do you now? canetoad Mar 2022 #133

You told me to retire my OP. If anything was inane and bullying, pnwmom Mar 2022 #134

Chris Rock did not know she has alopecia krawhitham Mar 2022 #124

Chris Rock was the producer of GOOD HAIR, a documentary about Black women's pnwmom Mar 2022 #125

Agree Meowmee Mar 2022 #129

Right, it's too long. Why fill it up with stupid comedy acts? n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #130

Exactly 😀 Meowmee Mar 2022 #131

Moderators are starting to trash these threads.. Emile Mar 2022 #143

I'm gonna start trashing them Sugarcoated Mar 2022 #145

Me too! It's time to move on. Emile Mar 2022 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author Sugarcoated Mar 2022 #144