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MineralMan

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44. Soldiers are individual people. You can't lump them all together.

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Sun Apr 3, 2022, 10:02 AM

Apr 2022

US Soldiers have also committed atrocities in wartime. My Lai, for example.

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I was so wrong in assuming that Russian soldiers hold the same values as we soldiers have in west [View all] Duncanpup Apr 2022 OP

I am saddened as well, but not at all surprised Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #1

+1 2naSalit Apr 2022 #3

War is Rape, looting, and destruction. Always was, always will be Walleye Apr 2022 #2

Human beings do those things. smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #68

Like those at My Lai? BSdetect Apr 2022 #4

True Duncanpup Apr 2022 #5

Like Abu Ghraib? Somebody being awfully naive. Solomon Apr 2022 #11

Thank you. ANYONE thinking that American soldiers didn't do this while in Iraq are Ferrets are Cool Apr 2022 #23

Death toll in Iraq was like 30-40k. Mosby Apr 2022 #32

... Ferrets are Cool Apr 2022 #33

The Lancet said 1 million. Igel Apr 2022 #61

Our soldiers have done horrible things also JI7 Apr 2022 #6

Agreed Duncanpup Apr 2022 #7

Not as SOP though. This is a planned systematic attack on civilians. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #27

it would be if the previous administration had its way anarch Apr 2022 #49

military ops were underway while trump was in office. And we didn't do this. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #55

bothsideism kiri Apr 2022 #41

It's a question of extent and frequency. Igel Apr 2022 #62

The OP is about comparing us with them. JI7 Apr 2022 #72

OK Whataboutism? kiri Apr 2022 #73

It doesn't help to claim something which is obviously not true JI7 Apr 2022 #74

I don't seem to remember reading about mass rape of German women by western Allies in 1945 Spider Jerusalem Apr 2022 #63

It may be the mercenaries Comrade Putin hired. pwb Apr 2022 #8

They never learned - it's been practice for centuries by their soldiers Pachamama Apr 2022 #9

Rapes in Yugoslavia too... suncat Apr 2022 #18

Rape as a weapon in war Pachamama Apr 2022 #26

Values have little to do with it; all militaries are brutal things. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2022 #10

You may want to read The Pentagon Papers and The New Legions BSdetect Apr 2022 #12

Doesn't even the Buy Bull say the virgins should be raped? When you conquer the enemy? alphafemale Apr 2022 #13

Old Testament. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #29

And....? alphafemale Apr 2022 #34

Hmnn 3auld6phart Apr 2022 #42

And... Mariana Apr 2022 #54

Deuteronomy 20:10-14 Danascot Apr 2022 #47

Do Jews and Chriatians follow that do you think? Mosby Apr 2022 #50

It is instructions. alphafemale Apr 2022 #56

2500 year old instructions. Mosby Apr 2022 #64

Rape has always been used as a weapon in war Farmer-Rick Apr 2022 #14

Once the killing starts, especially up close, the thin veneer of civilization is ripped away... ashredux Apr 2022 #15

It was what the women of 1945 Germany feared, and rightfully so. Ilsa Apr 2022 #16

The mother of one of my wife's friends was one of them DFW Apr 2022 #25

Oh yes, plus the starvation of millions of Russians. nt Ilsa Apr 2022 #46

Stalin was more expert at that than Hitler ever was DFW Apr 2022 #48

But how can that be? All militaries are exactly the same Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #60

I'm afraid it happens in every army COL Mustard Apr 2022 #17

The power of the MSM. SmallFry Apr 2022 #19

The russian military is a corrupt gang of thugs. The Jungle 1 Apr 2022 #20

My opinion of how evil the Russians are sky_masterson Apr 2022 #21

Not suprisingly, I think some (probably mostly the young conscripts) do; the mercenaries certainly hlthe2b Apr 2022 #22

Mostly, people are people, here or over there. 70sEraVet Apr 2022 #24

Yes, like Trump pardoning war criminals. JI7 Apr 2022 #75

Look at the sexual assaults within our own military tikka Apr 2022 #28

Then, add to that Chainfire Apr 2022 #35

And add in that in order to get people to kill each other, it helps to dehumanize the other, Rabrrrrrr Apr 2022 #37

You are exactly right. Chainfire Apr 2022 #40

It is truly disgusting and horrific. Thank you for your service and thoughts on this. Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #30

Not all, but part of it is a conscript versus volunteer army. roamer65 Apr 2022 #31

Evolved since WWII? Our troops were raping in Iraq, Afghanistan, and even around bases in Okinawa Rabrrrrrr Apr 2022 #36

This. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #70

'A fish rots from the head down'? multigraincracker Apr 2022 #38

Of course, then there were the wars against indigenous "North Americans." HUAJIAO Apr 2022 #39

War is brutal and it brutalizes those who participate...nt Wounded Bear Apr 2022 #43

Soldiers are individual people. You can't lump them all together. MineralMan Apr 2022 #44

Agreed, but the de-humanization of the enemy or any group of people often leads to widespread TeamProg Apr 2022 #53

This is a universal human thing. This is what happens when order breaks down. Oneironaut Apr 2022 #45

I don't need graphic warnings anymore for Russian troop deaths Arazi Apr 2022 #51

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #69

Some of us homo sapiens sapiens have homo sapiens neanderthalensis DNA in our cells. TeamProg Apr 2022 #52

Can't say for certain, but this sounds like the work of the Wagner Group. patphil Apr 2022 #57

Umm, our troops sexually assault/rape their own. A lot. demmiblue Apr 2022 #58

Yup. And we have numerous examples of crimes committed against civilians by our own troops. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #59

I remember a text from "Bury by Heart at Wounded Knee" alphafemale Apr 2022 #65

There's a lot of horror in that book. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #71

Former US Marine accused of rape in Ukraine bullwinkle428 Apr 2022 #66

Blackwater, is that you?? Samrob Apr 2022 #67