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101. I literally read that Politico article just before seeing this OP.

Wed Apr 6, 2022, 07:45 PM

Apr 2022

Wanted to know more about Fetterman.

He appears independent enough to have his own policies, not too closely tied to Justice Democrats/Our Revolution/Working Families Party/DSA and those types. Unlike their candidates (because for some reason they have a rule that only the working class can understand inequality, a way to depict Democrats as out-of-touch elites and why the party must be infiltrated and taken over), he doesn't pretend to be from a working class background. Your father's a partner in an insurance or architectural firm, you go to an elite college and get a good job after college, you aren't working class. Good for him. So far I haven't seen him attack Democrats in the usual cheap way (corrupt establishment neoliberal status quo, etc.) either. He does seem clever enough to adapt (some people call that being a weathervane or whatever, but it's usual in politics) and think for himself. I'll have to research more.

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The Democrats' Giant Dilemma John Fetterman's blue-collar progressivism has endeared him [View all] Demsrule86 Apr 2022 OP

Why, exactly should we NOT like him? (and I do) hlthe2b Apr 2022 #1

I like him too. I like most blue collar progressives. Magoo48 Apr 2022 #3

I love the guy and I don't know why some don't like...but I have been surprised at the Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #11

Moderates don't like his progressivism on economic issues Amishman Apr 2022 #40

The only dilemma is with establishment Democrats, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #2

That is how I see it too...and we have run that sort of candidate for years to no avail...Fetterman Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #13

What does "establishment Democrats" mean? mcar Apr 2022 #77

It means the PA party who all but endorsed Connor Lamb...they are the party guys. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #81

"The Party Guys"""...IOW the people responsible for getting candidates elected. brooklynite Apr 2022 #94

Sometimes they know a lot Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #97

It the "cross party appeal" that I see people leaping to assumptions about. brooklynite Apr 2022 #100

It's an assumption Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #102

Fetterman is up by 30 points...it is likely he will win and I love the guy. I now live in Ohio Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #110

It's looking good for him Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #120

Yes it is...hence the ad today by a Pac that supports Connor Lamb...it was not true and Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #121

I could see Fetterman running for president in 2028 Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #139

Well someone did a pretty crappy job of it in Pennsylvania...I give you Katie McGinty who sadly lost Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #104

I tend to vote for center dems Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #96

I tend to vote for center Dems too as anyone who reads my posts knows. I live in Ohio so that is who Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #106

I don't get it, either. I like him! dchill Apr 2022 #4

We are on the same page for sure. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #14

His history of vigilantism is why a lot of Democrats oppose his run. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #5

cite please empedocles Apr 2022 #6

Fetterman justifies -- but does not apologize for -- chasing down and brandishing shotgun at Black jog rogue emissary Apr 2022 #27

Yeah this is the guy who is in prison for among other crimes kidnapping for ransom and false Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #30

You do realize that crime was committed after the incident. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #35

I didn't say that. I said he is now in prison for serious crimes...I have not idea if he committed Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #38

So why bring it up? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #43

I take issue with the portrayal of this guy as an innocent jogger...from what I have read, he is a Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #45

He was a innocent Jogger. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #46

You don't know the guys history first of all. And Fetterman heard a gun shot and talked to the guy.. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #54

Knowing his history means it's justified in chasing him down??? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #58

He heard a gun shot. I found a woman wondering around my back yard and confronted her.. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #60

In a neighborhood that is prone to hearing gun shots. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #61

Such nonsense....the police came and it was handled...given the circumstances you are wasting Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #64

You questioned why anyone wouldn't support Fetterman. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #67

Well since he is 30+ points ahead...it isn't a good enough reason for many...but that one incident Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #75

How is it being portrayed as something it wasn't? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #79

The race has been brought up in Connor Lambs goes for the jugular which you posted in. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #80

It was vigilantism. True Lamb support don't believe it's rogue emissary Apr 2022 #82

He called the cops because he found the guy suspicious and he heard gunfire...not vigilantism... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #83

He thought he was suspicious after he stopped him with his gun and truck. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #84

That is your opinion...but most disagree based on polls numbers. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #85

How does Lambs votes impact people's opinion of Fetterman rogue emissary Apr 2022 #87

I personally don't think he needs to...and the Connor Lamb's support for Trump legislation Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #89

Good question. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #90

The police were called as you know...and I am satisfied with the explanation. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #91

I wouldn't want to live in a place where random rogue emissary Apr 2022 #92

And? BlueLucy Apr 2022 #158

Thank you, thank you, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #10

Did you reply to the right post? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #37

Not on this thread anyway. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #41

Cite where I mentioned Willie Horton, in another thread? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #47

Horton was brought up in the Connor Lamb goes for the jugular...(PA-SEN-D) ...still floating around. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #66

I assume you are talking about the one incident where he heard a gun shot and talked to Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #17

Yes, he's a vigilante. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #32

Doesn't it? It sure makes it less effective as an attack ad. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #44

The first thing Right Wingers do is look for mug shots... BlueLucy Apr 2022 #159

Please stop, black folk can tell an ally from an enemy. Please stop uponit7771 Apr 2022 #147

As an "black folk" I sure is hell can call a guy that chases a man with a gun none ally. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #155

The person Fetterman chased is supporting him !! Please, we're not LIVs here uponit7771 Apr 2022 #156

LIVs????? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #157

Having grown up in western PA and still have family there, I can say Wingus Dingus Apr 2022 #7

Fetterman is one of us, the real deal, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #12

Braddock has 3000 people YorkRd Apr 2022 #29

That is pretty much the same post as was on my other OP...and again...he was an urban mayor. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #33

Yep, Fetterman is the real deal...and the attack by Lamb won't work IMHO. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #88

Exactly, I see Fetterman as a Senator and maybe a president someday. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #18

Fetterman is not beholden to them aeromanKC Apr 2022 #8

I agree. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #19

Fetterman will be a winner world wide wally Apr 2022 #9

I think he can win too...PA is tough like Ohio...but we have a good chance with Fetterman. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #34

The less 'establishment' the more 'blue collar' appeal - the better. tman Apr 2022 #15

That is what I think but some don't agree with that...they think blue collar means Trump voters Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #21

the PA Democratic establishment knows how to screw up winners. see Joe Sestak in 2016 dsp3000 Apr 2022 #16

Katie McGinty...that was the last straw. Joe Sestak could have won. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #23

Well, they are doing it again, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #50

They are trying OK but I believe they won't have their way this time...and Fetterman can Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #72

Yep Cosmocat Apr 2022 #78

Foisting McGinty on us was the worst Deminpenn Apr 2022 #105

That is so true... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #108

She ran the worst campaign ever Deminpenn Apr 2022 #113

She was not a bad person like you said. But she wasn't authentic and voters notice. Fetterman Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #118

Dems didn't like Sestak because he'd been an incompetent campaigner in his previous run... brooklynite Apr 2022 #116

And we lost. That is always the story. Well this time will be different I hope. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #117

Was it always the story when Bob Casey won in 2006? brooklynite Apr 2022 #119

Please stop Deminpenn Apr 2022 #122

Seriously, Now you are messing with us. Bob Casey comes from a political family. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #133

You mean like JFK did? Deminpenn Apr 2022 #123

JFK didn't hire his family as campaign managers and fundraisers. brooklynite Apr 2022 #125

The JFK Library disagrees with you about RFK Deminpenn Apr 2022 #140

Good advice...there is nothing good about Katie McGinty's run...it was a winnable race. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #141

Biden's family was involved in the campaign...and I see nothing wrong with family anyway. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #126

They didnt like sestak because they crossed them and arlen specter. dsp3000 Apr 2022 #128

That is why I will never trust them again...they basically sacrificed a Senate seat for spite. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #137

I'm sure I would want Lamb if I were an elected democrat. SmallFry Apr 2022 #20

So would I... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #24

Fetterman seems tailor made to lose to the GOP/ALEC candidate. YorkRd Apr 2022 #22

First of all Lamb only won once in a red district. There was redistricting and Connor ran in Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #26

He will claw back blue collar low information voters. dsp3000 Apr 2022 #31

I have to say, he needs to put his dog in the ads...the dog is super adorable. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #36

Pennsyltucky is a standard tag for PA peggysue2 Apr 2022 #52

What a great post...sort of the same way I feel...+1000 Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #68

I believe we're on the same wavelength, Demsrule peggysue2 Apr 2022 #73

Yes we can...fired up and ready to go. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #74

Aloha, Peggysue! You moved to Cha Apr 2022 #86

That's my hope, too, Cha. That we win this seat and keep the Senate peggysue2 Apr 2022 #93

Yes, at least! Baby Steps.. you're on Cha Apr 2022 #95

Really? A son born in Philly. peggysue2 Apr 2022 #98

Oh how Cool.. 2 sons born in Philly.. Cha Apr 2022 #99

NO. He ran ONCE in a Republican leaning district and won. PA Democrat Apr 2022 #62

Why do some need to continue to post this as you have debunked it a number of times...I have too. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #69

This is not true, something that has repeatedly Deminpenn Apr 2022 #107

FACT NOT IN DISPUTE: There are more democratic votes to be had than republicans. Why spend ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #148

That is absolutely correct...I look at the polls at various websites and Fetterman is ahead Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #149

What's the evidence of endearment? brooklynite Apr 2022 #25

He is 30 points ahead. I lived in PA during the early Braddock years...I adore Fetterman as did Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #28

He's ahead in the Democratic Primary; says nothing about the General. brooklynite Apr 2022 #76

There are polls showing that he leads in the General as well...if you can't raise money and Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #150

Do you not read the posts from actual residents Deminpenn Apr 2022 #109

I read the posts from people who post here... brooklynite Apr 2022 #112

Speaks poorly of you Deminpenn Apr 2022 #114

My political experience comes from the streets of Philadelphia, rather than flighty social media.... brooklynite Apr 2022 #115

Do endorsements vote? Deminpenn Apr 2022 #124

I didn't care if Jesus came down and endorsed a candidate other than Biden, he was my guy Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #127

I would also add some heavy hitters endorsed Nina Turner but in the end Shontel Brown was Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #130

The endorsers of Nina Turner were other members the DS movement, not Party Leaders. brooklynite Apr 2022 #132

That is not true...Nina had plenty in Ohio who liked her...the party types. Shontel was always Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #134

"Former elected Ohio officials" brooklynite Apr 2022 #136

Read the post...there are both former and current...and none did Turner a bit of good. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #138

You just said if Fetterman is so endeared....etc ...and yet Lamb is 30 points down... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #129

"Electable" involves voters who aren't Democrats. brooklynite Apr 2022 #131

And you think such voters would prefer Connor Lamb? I think you are completely wrong. Connor Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #135

Honestly all I care about anymore are issues. Doremus Apr 2022 #39

Fetterman is for single payer but would help improve the ACA, wants fair taxation...no idea Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #63

+1, ... right ?! I'd like to see dem vote history also. The rest doesn't interest me much uponit7771 Apr 2022 #152

We need MORE blue collar progressives like him budkin Apr 2022 #42

We need the rural areas...even if we just cut down their margins...I think the powers that be Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #70

John Fetterman has it all: brains, guts and heart. Love the guy and he's got my vote! cornball 24 Apr 2022 #48

That is how I feel Fetterman was so moved at a hearing to determine if a man could get out of Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #59

The Democratic Party Needs More Fettermans montanacowboy Apr 2022 #49

You are right...we have worked in auto all our lives and Fetterman supports us and understands Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #57

Lamb's 1st stint in Congress, 115th Congress, 2017-18. gab13by13 Apr 2022 #51

Thanks...I found many of his votes problematic...now he was in a red district and all but that gives Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #56

Thank you for this post! John Fetterman needs more love from DU! FakeNoose Apr 2022 #53

Thanks for the reply...and I will go on the website...people don't know how much Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #55

The monied class is all pissed off Sympthsical Apr 2022 #65

Yup, and the Club has gotten it wrong many times in PA...putting up candidates that simply were Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #71

I literally read that Politico article just before seeing this OP. betsuni Apr 2022 #101

I like him a great deal...he is pure PA and I believe he can get us the Senate seat. He has plans Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #103

Thanks for the link Deminpenn Apr 2022 #111

Ed Rendell understands PA politics IMHO. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #144

I Like Big John, But Deep State Witch Apr 2022 #142

He would be a great fit like Sherrod Brown. I suggest you examine Connor Lambs votes in Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #143

Senate probably suits Fetterman best Deminpenn Apr 2022 #145

Indeed. Yes. Fetterman will get along just fine. Since when is their a test to see if a Senator Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #146

Americans don't care if the senate gets along just be effective which now they're not uponit7771 Apr 2022 #151

+1000 It has been my experience that Americans don't hate government just the fact it doesn't Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #153

+1, I don't like Lambs voting record ... too close to Manchin which I found out was the sole ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #154