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dsp3000

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128. They didnt like sestak because they crossed them and arlen specter.

Thu Apr 7, 2022, 10:59 AM

Apr 2022

Ultimately it seemed like there was lots of vengence in the PA Democratic establishment to screw him over at any cost, even putting up an ineffective McGinty in 16.

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The Democrats' Giant Dilemma John Fetterman's blue-collar progressivism has endeared him [View all] Demsrule86 Apr 2022 OP

Why, exactly should we NOT like him? (and I do) hlthe2b Apr 2022 #1

I like him too. I like most blue collar progressives. Magoo48 Apr 2022 #3

I love the guy and I don't know why some don't like...but I have been surprised at the Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #11

Moderates don't like his progressivism on economic issues Amishman Apr 2022 #40

The only dilemma is with establishment Democrats, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #2

That is how I see it too...and we have run that sort of candidate for years to no avail...Fetterman Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #13

What does "establishment Democrats" mean? mcar Apr 2022 #77

It means the PA party who all but endorsed Connor Lamb...they are the party guys. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #81

"The Party Guys"""...IOW the people responsible for getting candidates elected. brooklynite Apr 2022 #94

Sometimes they know a lot Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #97

It the "cross party appeal" that I see people leaping to assumptions about. brooklynite Apr 2022 #100

It's an assumption Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #102

Fetterman is up by 30 points...it is likely he will win and I love the guy. I now live in Ohio Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #110

It's looking good for him Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #120

Yes it is...hence the ad today by a Pac that supports Connor Lamb...it was not true and Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #121

I could see Fetterman running for president in 2028 Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #139

Well someone did a pretty crappy job of it in Pennsylvania...I give you Katie McGinty who sadly lost Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #104

I tend to vote for center dems Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #96

I tend to vote for center Dems too as anyone who reads my posts knows. I live in Ohio so that is who Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #106

I don't get it, either. I like him! dchill Apr 2022 #4

We are on the same page for sure. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #14

His history of vigilantism is why a lot of Democrats oppose his run. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #5

cite please empedocles Apr 2022 #6

Fetterman justifies -- but does not apologize for -- chasing down and brandishing shotgun at Black jog rogue emissary Apr 2022 #27

Yeah this is the guy who is in prison for among other crimes kidnapping for ransom and false Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #30

You do realize that crime was committed after the incident. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #35

I didn't say that. I said he is now in prison for serious crimes...I have not idea if he committed Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #38

So why bring it up? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #43

I take issue with the portrayal of this guy as an innocent jogger...from what I have read, he is a Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #45

He was a innocent Jogger. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #46

You don't know the guys history first of all. And Fetterman heard a gun shot and talked to the guy.. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #54

Knowing his history means it's justified in chasing him down??? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #58

He heard a gun shot. I found a woman wondering around my back yard and confronted her.. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #60

In a neighborhood that is prone to hearing gun shots. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #61

Such nonsense....the police came and it was handled...given the circumstances you are wasting Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #64

You questioned why anyone wouldn't support Fetterman. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #67

Well since he is 30+ points ahead...it isn't a good enough reason for many...but that one incident Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #75

How is it being portrayed as something it wasn't? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #79

The race has been brought up in Connor Lambs goes for the jugular which you posted in. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #80

It was vigilantism. True Lamb support don't believe it's rogue emissary Apr 2022 #82

He called the cops because he found the guy suspicious and he heard gunfire...not vigilantism... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #83

He thought he was suspicious after he stopped him with his gun and truck. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #84

That is your opinion...but most disagree based on polls numbers. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #85

How does Lambs votes impact people's opinion of Fetterman rogue emissary Apr 2022 #87

I personally don't think he needs to...and the Connor Lamb's support for Trump legislation Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #89

Good question. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #90

The police were called as you know...and I am satisfied with the explanation. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #91

I wouldn't want to live in a place where random rogue emissary Apr 2022 #92

And? BlueLucy Apr 2022 #158

Thank you, thank you, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #10

Did you reply to the right post? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #37

Not on this thread anyway. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #41

Cite where I mentioned Willie Horton, in another thread? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #47

Horton was brought up in the Connor Lamb goes for the jugular...(PA-SEN-D) ...still floating around. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #66

I assume you are talking about the one incident where he heard a gun shot and talked to Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #17

Yes, he's a vigilante. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #32

Doesn't it? It sure makes it less effective as an attack ad. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #44

The first thing Right Wingers do is look for mug shots... BlueLucy Apr 2022 #159

Please stop, black folk can tell an ally from an enemy. Please stop uponit7771 Apr 2022 #147

As an "black folk" I sure is hell can call a guy that chases a man with a gun none ally. rogue emissary Apr 2022 #155

The person Fetterman chased is supporting him !! Please, we're not LIVs here uponit7771 Apr 2022 #156

LIVs????? rogue emissary Apr 2022 #157

Having grown up in western PA and still have family there, I can say Wingus Dingus Apr 2022 #7

Fetterman is one of us, the real deal, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #12

Braddock has 3000 people YorkRd Apr 2022 #29

That is pretty much the same post as was on my other OP...and again...he was an urban mayor. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #33

Yep, Fetterman is the real deal...and the attack by Lamb won't work IMHO. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #88

Exactly, I see Fetterman as a Senator and maybe a president someday. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #18

Fetterman is not beholden to them aeromanKC Apr 2022 #8

I agree. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #19

Fetterman will be a winner world wide wally Apr 2022 #9

I think he can win too...PA is tough like Ohio...but we have a good chance with Fetterman. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #34

The less 'establishment' the more 'blue collar' appeal - the better. tman Apr 2022 #15

That is what I think but some don't agree with that...they think blue collar means Trump voters Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #21

the PA Democratic establishment knows how to screw up winners. see Joe Sestak in 2016 dsp3000 Apr 2022 #16

Katie McGinty...that was the last straw. Joe Sestak could have won. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #23

Well, they are doing it again, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #50

They are trying OK but I believe they won't have their way this time...and Fetterman can Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #72

Yep Cosmocat Apr 2022 #78

Foisting McGinty on us was the worst Deminpenn Apr 2022 #105

That is so true... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #108

She ran the worst campaign ever Deminpenn Apr 2022 #113

She was not a bad person like you said. But she wasn't authentic and voters notice. Fetterman Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #118

Dems didn't like Sestak because he'd been an incompetent campaigner in his previous run... brooklynite Apr 2022 #116

And we lost. That is always the story. Well this time will be different I hope. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #117

Was it always the story when Bob Casey won in 2006? brooklynite Apr 2022 #119

Please stop Deminpenn Apr 2022 #122

Seriously, Now you are messing with us. Bob Casey comes from a political family. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #133

You mean like JFK did? Deminpenn Apr 2022 #123

JFK didn't hire his family as campaign managers and fundraisers. brooklynite Apr 2022 #125

The JFK Library disagrees with you about RFK Deminpenn Apr 2022 #140

Good advice...there is nothing good about Katie McGinty's run...it was a winnable race. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #141

Biden's family was involved in the campaign...and I see nothing wrong with family anyway. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #126

They didnt like sestak because they crossed them and arlen specter. dsp3000 Apr 2022 #128

That is why I will never trust them again...they basically sacrificed a Senate seat for spite. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #137

I'm sure I would want Lamb if I were an elected democrat. SmallFry Apr 2022 #20

So would I... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #24

Fetterman seems tailor made to lose to the GOP/ALEC candidate. YorkRd Apr 2022 #22

First of all Lamb only won once in a red district. There was redistricting and Connor ran in Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #26

He will claw back blue collar low information voters. dsp3000 Apr 2022 #31

I have to say, he needs to put his dog in the ads...the dog is super adorable. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #36

Pennsyltucky is a standard tag for PA peggysue2 Apr 2022 #52

What a great post...sort of the same way I feel...+1000 Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #68

I believe we're on the same wavelength, Demsrule peggysue2 Apr 2022 #73

Yes we can...fired up and ready to go. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #74

Aloha, Peggysue! You moved to Cha Apr 2022 #86

That's my hope, too, Cha. That we win this seat and keep the Senate peggysue2 Apr 2022 #93

Yes, at least! Baby Steps.. you're on Cha Apr 2022 #95

Really? A son born in Philly. peggysue2 Apr 2022 #98

Oh how Cool.. 2 sons born in Philly.. Cha Apr 2022 #99

NO. He ran ONCE in a Republican leaning district and won. PA Democrat Apr 2022 #62

Why do some need to continue to post this as you have debunked it a number of times...I have too. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #69

This is not true, something that has repeatedly Deminpenn Apr 2022 #107

FACT NOT IN DISPUTE: There are more democratic votes to be had than republicans. Why spend ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #148

That is absolutely correct...I look at the polls at various websites and Fetterman is ahead Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #149

What's the evidence of endearment? brooklynite Apr 2022 #25

He is 30 points ahead. I lived in PA during the early Braddock years...I adore Fetterman as did Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #28

He's ahead in the Democratic Primary; says nothing about the General. brooklynite Apr 2022 #76

There are polls showing that he leads in the General as well...if you can't raise money and Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #150

Do you not read the posts from actual residents Deminpenn Apr 2022 #109

I read the posts from people who post here... brooklynite Apr 2022 #112

Speaks poorly of you Deminpenn Apr 2022 #114

My political experience comes from the streets of Philadelphia, rather than flighty social media.... brooklynite Apr 2022 #115

Do endorsements vote? Deminpenn Apr 2022 #124

I didn't care if Jesus came down and endorsed a candidate other than Biden, he was my guy Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #127

I would also add some heavy hitters endorsed Nina Turner but in the end Shontel Brown was Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #130

The endorsers of Nina Turner were other members the DS movement, not Party Leaders. brooklynite Apr 2022 #132

That is not true...Nina had plenty in Ohio who liked her...the party types. Shontel was always Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #134

"Former elected Ohio officials" brooklynite Apr 2022 #136

Read the post...there are both former and current...and none did Turner a bit of good. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #138

You just said if Fetterman is so endeared....etc ...and yet Lamb is 30 points down... Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #129

"Electable" involves voters who aren't Democrats. brooklynite Apr 2022 #131

And you think such voters would prefer Connor Lamb? I think you are completely wrong. Connor Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #135

Honestly all I care about anymore are issues. Doremus Apr 2022 #39

Fetterman is for single payer but would help improve the ACA, wants fair taxation...no idea Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #63

+1, ... right ?! I'd like to see dem vote history also. The rest doesn't interest me much uponit7771 Apr 2022 #152

We need MORE blue collar progressives like him budkin Apr 2022 #42

We need the rural areas...even if we just cut down their margins...I think the powers that be Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #70

John Fetterman has it all: brains, guts and heart. Love the guy and he's got my vote! cornball 24 Apr 2022 #48

That is how I feel Fetterman was so moved at a hearing to determine if a man could get out of Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #59

The Democratic Party Needs More Fettermans montanacowboy Apr 2022 #49

You are right...we have worked in auto all our lives and Fetterman supports us and understands Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #57

Lamb's 1st stint in Congress, 115th Congress, 2017-18. gab13by13 Apr 2022 #51

Thanks...I found many of his votes problematic...now he was in a red district and all but that gives Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #56

Thank you for this post! John Fetterman needs more love from DU! FakeNoose Apr 2022 #53

Thanks for the reply...and I will go on the website...people don't know how much Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #55

The monied class is all pissed off Sympthsical Apr 2022 #65

Yup, and the Club has gotten it wrong many times in PA...putting up candidates that simply were Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #71

I literally read that Politico article just before seeing this OP. betsuni Apr 2022 #101

I like him a great deal...he is pure PA and I believe he can get us the Senate seat. He has plans Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #103

Thanks for the link Deminpenn Apr 2022 #111

Ed Rendell understands PA politics IMHO. Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #144

I Like Big John, But Deep State Witch Apr 2022 #142

He would be a great fit like Sherrod Brown. I suggest you examine Connor Lambs votes in Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #143

Senate probably suits Fetterman best Deminpenn Apr 2022 #145

Indeed. Yes. Fetterman will get along just fine. Since when is their a test to see if a Senator Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #146

Americans don't care if the senate gets along just be effective which now they're not uponit7771 Apr 2022 #151

+1000 It has been my experience that Americans don't hate government just the fact it doesn't Demsrule86 Apr 2022 #153

+1, I don't like Lambs voting record ... too close to Manchin which I found out was the sole ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #154