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muriel_volestrangler

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70. Yes; this is like complaining that someone decided not to make "The Innocence of Muslims"

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:53 AM

Oct 2012

because they realised they would never be able to show it in the Muslim world. Not that someone stopped them making it, but that they wouldn't be able to sell it in part of the world, so they thought it wouldn't be worth making for the USA alone. No, I wouldn't get concerned over that.

Does it matter if it was the Chinese government saying "you can't show this in China", or the film distributors saying "you can't show this in the USA"? No. Not really. It's still someone with power stopping it. The people who could complain are the Chinese people (are they queuing up to be shown as modern day baddies who want to attack the USA? I doubt it), or the American people (who could have seen an interesting historical picture, in which they're at war with Britain. But they'd lose the battle at the end of the film). At least the Chinese government would be banning character defamation, where the Far Side of the World producers were banning that awful thing, a reminder that Americans lose once in a while in history.

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So you can't badmouth China or they ban you and your work. [View all] Zalatix Oct 2012 OP

Cheap labor, money. Confusious Oct 2012 #1

My guess JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #2

I vote directing my ire at all of the above. China, and the companies who coddle them. n/t Zalatix Oct 2012 #3

Agreed, both are worthy. JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #23

Or, maybe the Chinese have better taste in movies. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #4

Yay for censorship, eh? Zalatix Oct 2012 #11

Big deal. The studios had to switch a couple of crappy movies bogie-men. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #12

So you like censorship? You like governments that restrict freedom of speech? Zalatix Oct 2012 #13

Censorship's okay if you don't like the stuff being censored, you see. Posteritatis Oct 2012 #16

Seeing as how you're so upset by what China does you should catch the flick somewhere else. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #25

So I can put you down in favor of censorship? Zalatix Oct 2012 #26

No. You can put me down as not giving a rip about the trials of Hollywood movie makers. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #40

Then you can put me down as not giving a rip about your arguments. Zalatix Oct 2012 #44

Do you feel the same regard for freedom of experession about child porn or graffitti on synagogues? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #55

Comparing child porn to movies badmouthing China....? Zalatix Oct 2012 #91

delete Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #93

No, I comparing war porn and anti-semitic grafitti to child porn. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #94

Red Dawn is worse than child porn. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #120

"Red Dawn is worse than child porn"? You know, a jury should hide a comment as outrageous as that. Zalatix Nov 2012 #123

Who's the censor now? JackRiddler Nov 2012 #127

Haha! geardaddy Nov 2012 #132

Who's the person who doesn't understand website "censorship" vs Government censorship? Zalatix Nov 2012 #137

Upon what could you possibly base that supposition? Have you seen Chinese films? Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #61

I have seen a number of Chinese films that were great and some that were crappy. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #95

I've seen hundreds of Chinese films. You're way off base. Hong Kong has a vibrant cinema, and has Romulox Oct 2012 #105

What's the world-wide distribution rate and what are the gross receipts Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #106

If we didn't, our $7 t-shirts would cost $10! And a $400 handbag would cost $450!!!!!! NO ONE WOULD Brickbat Oct 2012 #5

Prices would only go up a little bit, but their profit margins would collapse. reformist2 Oct 2012 #17

There is no dictation here treestar Oct 2012 #6

Evil characters can be of any nationality... except Chinese. Gotcha. Zalatix Oct 2012 #9

Why are you so invested in the idea of a movie treestar Oct 2012 #18

Why are you so opposed to the idea of a movie with evil China or evil Chinese characters? Zalatix Oct 2012 #20

So do you think people are evil due to being born Chinese? treestar Oct 2012 #54

Do you have money tied up in China or something? Zalatix Oct 2012 #57

You did not answer the question treestar Oct 2012 #85

I didn't answer it because I am not letting you distract the issue. Zalatix Oct 2012 #88

Why do you think 1/4 of the planerary population Confusious Oct 2012 #68

Not necessarily, but movie makers are understandably careful of that treestar Oct 2012 #86

And if China chose to censor movies that speak well of America? Zalatix Oct 2012 #89

The United States is the bad guy in movies Confusious Oct 2012 #99

Well, here you are again, cheerleading for authoritarianism again. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #27

Criticizing any country besides America makes that poster quite unhappy. Zalatix Oct 2012 #35

What? treestar Oct 2012 #53

Nobody's demonizing Chinese individuals. Now you're spouting deliberate falsehoods and distractions. Zalatix Oct 2012 #56

No Confusious Oct 2012 #66

Making the villain of the Red Dawn remake Chinese doesn't demonize Chinese people... Chan790 Oct 2012 #96

The subject under discussion is censorship by an authoritarian government. Marr Nov 2012 #126

So you shouldn't make any movie Confusious Oct 2012 #65

I feel discriminated against. Chan790 Oct 2012 #97

But you're not a person. And neither are African Americans or Hispanics. (Sarcasm alert!) Zalatix Oct 2012 #98

So you care nothing for actual equality Confusious Oct 2012 #100

As usual, you are so far off the mark you need directions to the right stadium. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #62

Ouch. That stings!!! Zalatix Oct 2012 #92

Didn't American movie makers in the beginning of the 20th century RomneyLies Oct 2012 #7

Well, would most Americans want to watch a movie that portrays the USA as the evil power? tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #8

We don't outlaw such movies. Zalatix Oct 2012 #10

Did the Chinese outlaw it? Or did the producers just change it, like this film: muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #21

Any foreign movie shown in a theater in China must be pre-approved by the government. limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #22

But that doesn't mean the Chinese government insisted on the change in Red Dawn muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #29

The change in Red Dawn was made because it would not make it past Chinese censors. Zalatix Oct 2012 #32

Picked on? No, I just think your thread is funny muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #34

You think anything America does is a hoot. What do you even like about this country? Zalatix Oct 2012 #36

I like Democrats. I like American football. muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #37

You also like censorship, too, since you keep avoiding the issue of censorship Zalatix Oct 2012 #41

Dear God, you're serious, aren't you? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #43

I am dead serious. Apparently you don't care about the issue of censorship. Zalatix Oct 2012 #45

you're close to coming upon using "what do you hate america!" ala glan beck as your new catch phrase dionysus Oct 2012 #51

And now you're associating love of my country with Glenn Beck? Zalatix Oct 2012 #52

no i'm just laughing my ass off at the silly things you continue to post, and the wierd arguments dionysus Oct 2012 #87

And I am laughing my ass off at your silly, puerile arguments you use to defend censorship. Zalatix Oct 2012 #90

not defending censorship, just chuckling at your hysterics. dionysus Oct 2012 #102

You're defending censorship. Admit it, be honest with yourself. Zalatix Oct 2012 #103

putting me on ignore won't stop you making me ROFL with whack ass posts... dionysus Oct 2012 #104

No more and no less than you are associating people's observation LanternWaste Nov 2012 #125

No censorship in the US? Really? dogknob Oct 2012 #58

Now there is no denying THAT problem. Zalatix Oct 2012 #59

For now. Don't take this little chat for granted. The GOP wants to stop it. dogknob Oct 2012 #60

And that, sir or madam, is why we battle the GOP. Zalatix Oct 2012 #74

This is an example of corporate censorship. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #101

Right they don't have the legal power to dictate to US big US film companies, limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #42

Wow, you totally slam-dunked it. Zalatix Oct 2012 #46

If it were about movies concerning human rights abuses muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #47

Many many Chinese people would love to see a movie about garment sweatshops and electronics factori limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #48

So you're intentionally ignoring the big issue of catering to a dictatorship in favor of Zalatix Oct 2012 #50

Yes; this is like complaining that someone decided not to make "The Innocence of Muslims" muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #70

I'm no fan of censorship and fanatacism in the Muslim world, either. You keep forgetting Zalatix Oct 2012 #73

Censorship in China - hold the front page! muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #75

Wow, you must have some serious vested interest in coddling undemocratic dictatorships. Zalatix Oct 2012 #76

No, I'm still laughing at you muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #78

I'm laughing at you and your all-too-predictable justifications and contortions. Zalatix Oct 2012 #81

The United States didn't censor that movie. Zalatix Oct 2012 #30

Then you should have linked to something saying that muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #31

limpyhobbler provided a link to proof of censorship in China. Zalatix Oct 2012 #33

Gee, I don't know. How about a film called Three Days of the Condor? Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #63

movies with the US as bad Confusious Oct 2012 #69

and the funny this is argiel1234 Oct 2012 #14

Kinda sad how many of the responses here just don't get it, isn't it? (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #15

Yup, it's like China is the victim and not free speech. Zalatix Oct 2012 #24

Downright depressing. And these are the people on our side... n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #64

It's the near-unanimity of the censorship cheerleaders that's depressing me. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #72

Can we make an exception just once for banning the Red Dawn remake? Dash87 Oct 2012 #19

For Red Dawn, limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #28

"Giants lead Cowboys 29-24 late in game. CNN reports it is "tied"" Fumesucker Oct 2012 #38

none of this surprises me anymore johnt_1956_55 Oct 2012 #39

It's the movies. Iggo Oct 2012 #49

"Dictating what Americans get to see"...um, no, they aren't Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #67

You're confusing two issues. Zalatix Oct 2012 #77

But is it government censorship or market forces? Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #79

In China it's censorship. Here, it's market forces. Zalatix Oct 2012 #83

who gives a a shit about red dawn? CBGLuthier Oct 2012 #71

In addition to all the above reasons, we are in debt to China. Fla Dem Oct 2012 #80

And if China calls in that debt they're screwed. Zalatix Oct 2012 #82

Don't look now, but if we collapse financially, the Chinese will too.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #116

Money... Javaman Oct 2012 #84

You're complaining about the lowest grade propaganda movies. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #107

Best post in thread! Hekate Nov 2012 #108

Thank you. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #119

So I'll mark you down as "yay for censorship". Zalatix Nov 2012 #110

Do some research on US censorship history from the 1940s through the 1970s and.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #115

It's incredible! JackRiddler Nov 2012 #118

Okay, I'll do some research on censorship which no longer exists now Zalatix Nov 2012 #121

Oh, please. Skip the simplistic lecture. We all know censorship exists in a big way in China.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #129

Hey, now we're getting somewhere. At least now you accept part of reality. Zalatix Nov 2012 #156

And and I'll mark you down as "F" for Foxnews... JackRiddler Nov 2012 #117

Once again you are down for censorship. Zalatix Nov 2012 #122

Your fake issue is pretty crazy. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #128

Your defense of China is pretty crazy. It would fit right into their propaganda machine. Zalatix Nov 2012 #139

Plenty of folks on Freeperville will want to discuss your "China censorship" issue.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #131

China should welcome you with open arms for defending their undemocratic policies. Zalatix Nov 2012 #138

Wow. I guess reading comprehension is not your thing! What's your personal motto?.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #142

You support Chinese censorship. That is reality on Terra Firma. Denial is your thing. Zalatix Nov 2012 #143

LOL!! Stop lying about my beliefs. I don't support censorship of any kind... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #145

LOL! I'm not lying about your beliefs at all. You just keep avoiding and denying the facts. Period. Zalatix Nov 2012 #146

Wow. Looks like I struck a nerve! I get the sense you've gone off your meds...seek help. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #149

LOL, backed into a corner, you flee to personal attacks. Who struck a nerve again? Zalatix Nov 2012 #150

NeoCon bullshit. You're CLEARLY on the wrong board. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #152

LOL! All I gotta do is criticize Chinese censorship to hit your rage button! Zalatix Nov 2012 #154

Ben Kingsley will be fine in the role, but.... agentS Nov 2012 #109

I've lived in China and experienced the censorship davidpdx Nov 2012 #111

Damn, you're lucky you didn't get caught. Zalatix Nov 2012 #112

They probably would have deported me davidpdx Nov 2012 #113

I was in Beijing before the internet, but we managed to get geardaddy Nov 2012 #133

Yeah as long as it's not something that is over critical of China davidpdx Nov 2012 #136

Yep. geardaddy Nov 2012 #141

LOL. Who do you think is REALLY dictating the banning of the use of Chinese villains?.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #114

I think it's that the producers believe the box office returns are more important LanternWaste Nov 2012 #124

BFEE tells us to. Octafish Nov 2012 #130

You can't badmouth Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan either. geardaddy Nov 2012 #134

Not exactly... markpkessinger Nov 2012 #135

How about option #3: Focus my ire on all of the above? Zalatix Nov 2012 #147

They're not dictating anything to you LittleBlue Nov 2012 #140

Yes, they do dictate to all of us. Zalatix Nov 2012 #144

Your nonsense is getting really old. It's straight out of the NeoCon/Cold War playbook.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #148

Your irrational rage at me criticizing China is getting to be hilarious! Zalatix Nov 2012 #151

First, you lied about me believing that China has no internal censorship.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #153

First, in your moment of RAGE!!! you failed to read what I said. Zalatix Nov 2012 #155