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123. "Draconian measures"?

Fri Apr 8, 2022, 12:56 PM

Apr 2022

Is this actually a Liberal forum or have I wandered onto somewhere Republicans hang out?

Calling mask mandates "draconian" is ridiculous when we've known for over a century that masks literally save lives.
The lack of compassion, empathy, & compassion is stunning. Your inconvenience doesn't trump the lives of people. many of us, including I imagine some on here, have lost immediate family, loved ones, close friends to Covid, and that includes me with losing my mom who was killed by an anti-masker before the vaccines were available. But it's "draconian".

What a absolutely ridiculously selfish comment.

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WTF is happening at the CDC? [View all] AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 OP

At this point in time my view is anyone who can get vaccinated and won't, risk hospitalization and JohnSJ Apr 2022 #1

This isn't a good decision AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #4

I am not flying now, and when I do I will mask up, regardless of the status JohnSJ Apr 2022 #9

I will never fly again. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #33

I might be with you on that one. The only way I would fly now is private. gldstwmn Apr 2022 #145

Airplanes are actually one of the safest places to be Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #34

I know that is the conventional wisdom, but I have seen people getting sick from fellow passengers JohnSJ Apr 2022 #36

How have you seen that? Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #38

Even before COVID people got sick from other passengers who were sick on airplanes JohnSJ Apr 2022 #40

And what does that look like? Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #41

At this time I won't be going to either JohnSJ Apr 2022 #45

Why? Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #49

I am fully vacinated and boosted, but I will do what I want, and you can do what you want, doctor JohnSJ Apr 2022 #51

So the rest of your life then? Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #54

I am not asking for your advice. End of discussion between us JohnSJ Apr 2022 #61

Just gotta shout out at you bluestarone Apr 2022 #80

Wait a minute... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #89

"the science is saying if you are vaxxed and boosted you are not at risk" Wong uppityperson Apr 2022 #129

The Twitter Feed in this post Tink41 Apr 2022 #137

I usually don't get pissed off online... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #90

Thanks LuckyCharms. You said something that needed to be said. JohnSJ Apr 2022 #93

. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #111

+++ JohnSJ Apr 2022 #114

I have gotten sick almost every time I fly. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #146

What about the airport itself? Also I have seen nothing to suggest that long Covid is mitigated gldstwmn Apr 2022 #147

He also posted yesterday about a new South African variant that he is keeping an eye on. gldstwmn Apr 2022 #144

The short term risks are well known - Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #78

Yet again America does not give a F about kids dsp3000 Apr 2022 #92

They are not policies of significance. SmallFry Apr 2022 #2

It's not the flu AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #6

There's no way to stop it Calculating Apr 2022 #8

China despite it's enormous population AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #13

Sure, if you believe the CCP... Zeitghost Apr 2022 #52

So you think they would lie and tell the world they're having a Covid surge? Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #58

I don't think they've been honest about their death toll. nt. Mariana Apr 2022 #60

No Zeitghost Apr 2022 #63

China is the WORST example and has made the wrong decision on their NPI vs vaxing. uponit7771 Apr 2022 #98

Let it rip is current American policy. SmallFry Apr 2022 #11

And "Let it rip" is Eugenics AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #14

You clearly don't know what eugenics means. SmallFry Apr 2022 #16

I clearly do AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #18

Correct. SmallFry Apr 2022 #21

That's an opinion piece at your link, and it is clearly identified as such. nt. Mariana Apr 2022 #28

Here is the definition of "eugenics": Mariana Apr 2022 #31

If you're vaccinated against Covid, the flu is actually more likely to put you in the hospital than Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #39

+1, I don't like it when people leave the facts you outlined out of post regarding CV19. Its like uponit7771 Apr 2022 #101

It is both to an extent Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #110

yep Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #121

For those who are vaxed and boosted there is no "rip" uponit7771 Apr 2022 #100

Ding is a total nut job. BannonsLiver Apr 2022 #27

Agree 100%. IMO, it's time to get rid of mask mandates on airplanes and all forms beaglelover Apr 2022 #35

Agree. Elessar Zappa Apr 2022 #72

Yeah I cannot handle his hair on fire insanity. r�is�n_dubh Apr 2022 #95

The people are basically over COVID at this point Calculating Apr 2022 #3

This is incorrect AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #7

My brother got over it too...by dying. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #79

So did my mom.... AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #84

Oh no... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #88

That's awful. So sorry for your loss JohnSJ Apr 2022 #94

Sorry for your loss, "..before vaccines were available,..." is mostly why I'm done. The vax gives .. uponit7771 Apr 2022 #103

+1, the fear mongering is annoying at this point. uponit7771 Apr 2022 #102

It's LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #120

Does this mean they will drop the testing requirement for international flights? jcgoldie Apr 2022 #5

I don't think that's possible AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #10

inbound is what I meant jcgoldie Apr 2022 #12

Ya I haven't seen anything on that AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #15

They should. Ace Rothstein Apr 2022 #73

This is happening under the Biden Administration, so I hope the White House moves Baitball Blogger Apr 2022 #17

I do too. This is bad...... AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #20

Meh. Eric Feigl-Ding is the ultimate hyper doom fearmonger. Celerity Apr 2022 #19

Would you like another source? AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #23

how dare you say Celerity Apr 2022 #26

Yes, that was over the top. JohnSJ Apr 2022 #96

That'squite an assumption there, sport. 2naSalit Apr 2022 #42

Get a grip r�is�n_dubh Apr 2022 #97

"..but so many don't..." also applies to the flu. Those who leave out objective facts usually go to uponit7771 Apr 2022 #104

Well inthewind21 Apr 2022 #109

at this point markie Apr 2022 #22

Yup, very sad AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #24

I lost all confidence in the CDC quite some time ago. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #25

I knew this already 4 months ago (maybe longer) FakeNoose Apr 2022 #29

At this point, I recommend that everyone take control of MineralMan Apr 2022 #30

+1 2naSalit Apr 2022 #43

Yep, this. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #50

+2 Owl Apr 2022 #76

Why avoid traveling by air if I'm vaxed and boosted? tia uponit7771 Apr 2022 #105

As we have seen again and again, people who are vaxed and boosted MineralMan Apr 2022 #108

"However, that is not always the case" this is the same for the Flu and colds also. Why is ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #159

A million deaths so far is why. The virus also quickly MineralMan Apr 2022 #161

For the vaxed there is no high mortality rate, we fall around cold and flu outcomes. I wasn't ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #166

Excuse me, but you seem to be not understanding something. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #172

I read that post* and have some beefs with what you stated to be factual and didn't wan to argue ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #173

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They just announced they are reforming CDC. Is this what they call "reform"? lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #32

Announcement... 2naSalit Apr 2022 #44

They should have at least imposed a freeze on crazy new pronouncements. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #46

They can't leave things stand... 2naSalit Apr 2022 #55

Well, there's that approach too. (Self-genocide). lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #57

My thinking is... 2naSalit Apr 2022 #62

Many (most?) people can't be expected to isolate for very long Zeitghost Apr 2022 #64

It wasn't just isolation. 2naSalit Apr 2022 #68

We just had an outbreak of Hepatitis A here from the local grocery store. gldstwmn Apr 2022 #148

See what I mean? 2naSalit Apr 2022 #154

I remember reading dire predictions of Malthusian meltdowns when I was a kid... lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #67

Yes, I remember that too. 2naSalit Apr 2022 #69

At what point can society return to some semblance of normal. SoonerPride Apr 2022 #37

I t already has returned to normal Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #47

I agree 100% SoonerPride Apr 2022 #48

In a month or so, nobody will care about Covid anymore dalton99a Apr 2022 #53

I agree. SoonerPride Apr 2022 #56

Same here Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #59

Want to bet on that? AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #85

It's almost like some people don't want normal back Calculating Apr 2022 #65

Exactly. It is what it is at this point. SoonerPride Apr 2022 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Apr 2022 #70

It is everywhere AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #86

Other countries are better vaccinated. Beautiful Disaster Apr 2022 #116

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2022 #107

I agree. Some people are STILL refusing to mask. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #113

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people here still think it will go away. Ace Rothstein Apr 2022 #75

I'm more concerned about people dying AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #83

Most of the country is back to February 2020 living. Ace Rothstein Apr 2022 #87

That is simply an impossible ask. SoonerPride Apr 2022 #112

"Draconian measures"? AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #123

We're in an entirely different place now than we were back before vaccines and other effective beaglelover Apr 2022 #127

+1 SoonerPride Apr 2022 #132

Well lookee here canetoad Apr 2022 #177

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2022 #106

+1 Celerity Apr 2022 #160

Anecdote: My boss and his girlfriend have been flying all over the world. chowder66 Apr 2022 #71

I've flown a bunch. r�is�n_dubh Apr 2022 #99

It feels like every time we make a little headway hamsterjill Apr 2022 #74

We will never learn. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #82

Gosh, Lucky, if I could recommend your post a million times, I would. hamsterjill Apr 2022 #91

Nicely said, hamsterjill LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #118

The virus was never going to be eliminated with a total lockdown anyway. That is preposterous. SoonerPride Apr 2022 #115

Your opinion is fine with me. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #119

97% of US adults over 16 has had at least 1 shot, we've learned pretty good uponit7771 Apr 2022 #128

My final comment on this, and it's a long one. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #142

Wow! +1000, Lucky Charms! liberal_mama Apr 2022 #136

A hard lockdown would do nothing Calculating Apr 2022 #150

In reality, we most likely don't have any idea, one way or another, LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #153

So we have a draconian lockdown... Zeitghost Apr 2022 #155

Of course is isn't a posssibility... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #157

Lockdowns are not effective. Beautiful Disaster Apr 2022 #168

Beautiful Disaster, Welcome to DU! LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #171

Thank you - and good luck to you! Beautiful Disaster Apr 2022 #175

I'm sure we do! Best of luck to you as well. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #176

The county that I live in is back up to 10% positivity and that doesn't include home tests liberal_mama Apr 2022 #140

Sheer politics and stupidity. n/t Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #77

Businesses were losing money and pressured their reps to stop the mandates IcyPeas Apr 2022 #81

La science c'est moi Sympthsical Apr 2022 #117

Ask 4 different people inthewind21 Apr 2022 #122

Conflicting views Sympthsical Apr 2022 #125

Thank You for Posting & Sharing With Us...K and R Stuart G Apr 2022 #124

You're welcome, I'm just stunned AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #126

Yeah, I'm stunned by some of the comments too liberal_mama Apr 2022 #167

Same here AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #169

It's amazing how many with Ukraine flags find masks such an onerous burden uppityperson Apr 2022 #130

I think you are conflating "unnecessary" with "onerous." SoonerPride Apr 2022 #133

+1. I'm so happy to no longer have to wear a mask during Pilates classes or at the regular beaglelover Apr 2022 #135

Thank you for providing an example. uppityperson Apr 2022 #138

You noticed that too I see AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #170

Pandemic is over..in my calif area, everyone tossed the masks Demovictory9 Apr 2022 #131

The pandemic IS over. COVID is now in the endemic phase. beaglelover Apr 2022 #134

I have yet to see anyone say at what point they will feel comfortable. SoonerPride Apr 2022 #139

Good for you. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2022 #141

Laissez le bon temps rouler. gldstwmn Apr 2022 #143

Exactly! I just got a call 5 minutes ago that a triple vaxxed Uncle is very sick with Covid liberal_mama Apr 2022 #149

I hope your uncle gets well soon. Since we went from reporting test results to hospitalizations gldstwmn Apr 2022 #151

Eric Feigl-Ding has Covid too now, his son also positive liberal_mama Apr 2022 #152

I wish Dr. Feigl-Ding a quick and full recovery Zeitghost Apr 2022 #156

I do believe Dr. Feigl-Ding took every precaution, but he said his son was also positive liberal_mama Apr 2022 #158

He managed to get the pills eventually. LisaL Apr 2022 #174

So was I. r�is�n_dubh Apr 2022 #178