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Spider Jerusalem

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79. But is it government censorship or market forces?

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:57 AM

Oct 2012

Personally when it comes to fucked up things the Chinese government does I think that the slave-labour conditions in electronics factories which are largely owned by Party and People's Army higher-ups, the ethnic oppression of the Uighurs and Tibetans, and many other things are far more worrying than whether or not they censor American films that make China the villain.

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So you can't badmouth China or they ban you and your work. [View all] Zalatix Oct 2012 OP

Cheap labor, money. Confusious Oct 2012 #1

My guess JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #2

I vote directing my ire at all of the above. China, and the companies who coddle them. n/t Zalatix Oct 2012 #3

Agreed, both are worthy. JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #23

Or, maybe the Chinese have better taste in movies. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #4

Yay for censorship, eh? Zalatix Oct 2012 #11

Big deal. The studios had to switch a couple of crappy movies bogie-men. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #12

So you like censorship? You like governments that restrict freedom of speech? Zalatix Oct 2012 #13

Censorship's okay if you don't like the stuff being censored, you see. Posteritatis Oct 2012 #16

Seeing as how you're so upset by what China does you should catch the flick somewhere else. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #25

So I can put you down in favor of censorship? Zalatix Oct 2012 #26

No. You can put me down as not giving a rip about the trials of Hollywood movie makers. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #40

Then you can put me down as not giving a rip about your arguments. Zalatix Oct 2012 #44

Do you feel the same regard for freedom of experession about child porn or graffitti on synagogues? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #55

Comparing child porn to movies badmouthing China....? Zalatix Oct 2012 #91

delete Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #93

No, I comparing war porn and anti-semitic grafitti to child porn. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #94

Red Dawn is worse than child porn. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #120

"Red Dawn is worse than child porn"? You know, a jury should hide a comment as outrageous as that. Zalatix Nov 2012 #123

Who's the censor now? JackRiddler Nov 2012 #127

Haha! geardaddy Nov 2012 #132

Who's the person who doesn't understand website "censorship" vs Government censorship? Zalatix Nov 2012 #137

Upon what could you possibly base that supposition? Have you seen Chinese films? Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #61

I have seen a number of Chinese films that were great and some that were crappy. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #95

I've seen hundreds of Chinese films. You're way off base. Hong Kong has a vibrant cinema, and has Romulox Oct 2012 #105

What's the world-wide distribution rate and what are the gross receipts Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #106

If we didn't, our $7 t-shirts would cost $10! And a $400 handbag would cost $450!!!!!! NO ONE WOULD Brickbat Oct 2012 #5

Prices would only go up a little bit, but their profit margins would collapse. reformist2 Oct 2012 #17

There is no dictation here treestar Oct 2012 #6

Evil characters can be of any nationality... except Chinese. Gotcha. Zalatix Oct 2012 #9

Why are you so invested in the idea of a movie treestar Oct 2012 #18

Why are you so opposed to the idea of a movie with evil China or evil Chinese characters? Zalatix Oct 2012 #20

So do you think people are evil due to being born Chinese? treestar Oct 2012 #54

Do you have money tied up in China or something? Zalatix Oct 2012 #57

You did not answer the question treestar Oct 2012 #85

I didn't answer it because I am not letting you distract the issue. Zalatix Oct 2012 #88

Why do you think 1/4 of the planerary population Confusious Oct 2012 #68

Not necessarily, but movie makers are understandably careful of that treestar Oct 2012 #86

And if China chose to censor movies that speak well of America? Zalatix Oct 2012 #89

The United States is the bad guy in movies Confusious Oct 2012 #99

Well, here you are again, cheerleading for authoritarianism again. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #27

Criticizing any country besides America makes that poster quite unhappy. Zalatix Oct 2012 #35

What? treestar Oct 2012 #53

Nobody's demonizing Chinese individuals. Now you're spouting deliberate falsehoods and distractions. Zalatix Oct 2012 #56

No Confusious Oct 2012 #66

Making the villain of the Red Dawn remake Chinese doesn't demonize Chinese people... Chan790 Oct 2012 #96

The subject under discussion is censorship by an authoritarian government. Marr Nov 2012 #126

So you shouldn't make any movie Confusious Oct 2012 #65

I feel discriminated against. Chan790 Oct 2012 #97

But you're not a person. And neither are African Americans or Hispanics. (Sarcasm alert!) Zalatix Oct 2012 #98

So you care nothing for actual equality Confusious Oct 2012 #100

As usual, you are so far off the mark you need directions to the right stadium. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #62

Ouch. That stings!!! Zalatix Oct 2012 #92

Didn't American movie makers in the beginning of the 20th century RomneyLies Oct 2012 #7

Well, would most Americans want to watch a movie that portrays the USA as the evil power? tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #8

We don't outlaw such movies. Zalatix Oct 2012 #10

Did the Chinese outlaw it? Or did the producers just change it, like this film: muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #21

Any foreign movie shown in a theater in China must be pre-approved by the government. limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #22

But that doesn't mean the Chinese government insisted on the change in Red Dawn muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #29

The change in Red Dawn was made because it would not make it past Chinese censors. Zalatix Oct 2012 #32

Picked on? No, I just think your thread is funny muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #34

You think anything America does is a hoot. What do you even like about this country? Zalatix Oct 2012 #36

I like Democrats. I like American football. muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #37

You also like censorship, too, since you keep avoiding the issue of censorship Zalatix Oct 2012 #41

Dear God, you're serious, aren't you? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #43

I am dead serious. Apparently you don't care about the issue of censorship. Zalatix Oct 2012 #45

you're close to coming upon using "what do you hate america!" ala glan beck as your new catch phrase dionysus Oct 2012 #51

And now you're associating love of my country with Glenn Beck? Zalatix Oct 2012 #52

no i'm just laughing my ass off at the silly things you continue to post, and the wierd arguments dionysus Oct 2012 #87

And I am laughing my ass off at your silly, puerile arguments you use to defend censorship. Zalatix Oct 2012 #90

not defending censorship, just chuckling at your hysterics. dionysus Oct 2012 #102

You're defending censorship. Admit it, be honest with yourself. Zalatix Oct 2012 #103

putting me on ignore won't stop you making me ROFL with whack ass posts... dionysus Oct 2012 #104

No more and no less than you are associating people's observation LanternWaste Nov 2012 #125

No censorship in the US? Really? dogknob Oct 2012 #58

Now there is no denying THAT problem. Zalatix Oct 2012 #59

For now. Don't take this little chat for granted. The GOP wants to stop it. dogknob Oct 2012 #60

And that, sir or madam, is why we battle the GOP. Zalatix Oct 2012 #74

This is an example of corporate censorship. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #101

Right they don't have the legal power to dictate to US big US film companies, limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #42

Wow, you totally slam-dunked it. Zalatix Oct 2012 #46

If it were about movies concerning human rights abuses muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #47

Many many Chinese people would love to see a movie about garment sweatshops and electronics factori limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #48

So you're intentionally ignoring the big issue of catering to a dictatorship in favor of Zalatix Oct 2012 #50

Yes; this is like complaining that someone decided not to make "The Innocence of Muslims" muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #70

I'm no fan of censorship and fanatacism in the Muslim world, either. You keep forgetting Zalatix Oct 2012 #73

Censorship in China - hold the front page! muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #75

Wow, you must have some serious vested interest in coddling undemocratic dictatorships. Zalatix Oct 2012 #76

No, I'm still laughing at you muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #78

I'm laughing at you and your all-too-predictable justifications and contortions. Zalatix Oct 2012 #81

The United States didn't censor that movie. Zalatix Oct 2012 #30

Then you should have linked to something saying that muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #31

limpyhobbler provided a link to proof of censorship in China. Zalatix Oct 2012 #33

Gee, I don't know. How about a film called Three Days of the Condor? Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #63

movies with the US as bad Confusious Oct 2012 #69

and the funny this is argiel1234 Oct 2012 #14

Kinda sad how many of the responses here just don't get it, isn't it? (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #15

Yup, it's like China is the victim and not free speech. Zalatix Oct 2012 #24

Downright depressing. And these are the people on our side... n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #64

It's the near-unanimity of the censorship cheerleaders that's depressing me. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #72

Can we make an exception just once for banning the Red Dawn remake? Dash87 Oct 2012 #19

For Red Dawn, limpyhobbler Oct 2012 #28

"Giants lead Cowboys 29-24 late in game. CNN reports it is "tied"" Fumesucker Oct 2012 #38

none of this surprises me anymore johnt_1956_55 Oct 2012 #39

It's the movies. Iggo Oct 2012 #49

"Dictating what Americans get to see"...um, no, they aren't Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #67

You're confusing two issues. Zalatix Oct 2012 #77

But is it government censorship or market forces? Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #79

In China it's censorship. Here, it's market forces. Zalatix Oct 2012 #83

who gives a a shit about red dawn? CBGLuthier Oct 2012 #71

In addition to all the above reasons, we are in debt to China. Fla Dem Oct 2012 #80

And if China calls in that debt they're screwed. Zalatix Oct 2012 #82

Don't look now, but if we collapse financially, the Chinese will too.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #116

Money... Javaman Oct 2012 #84

You're complaining about the lowest grade propaganda movies. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #107

Best post in thread! Hekate Nov 2012 #108

Thank you. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #119

So I'll mark you down as "yay for censorship". Zalatix Nov 2012 #110

Do some research on US censorship history from the 1940s through the 1970s and.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #115

It's incredible! JackRiddler Nov 2012 #118

Okay, I'll do some research on censorship which no longer exists now Zalatix Nov 2012 #121

Oh, please. Skip the simplistic lecture. We all know censorship exists in a big way in China.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #129

Hey, now we're getting somewhere. At least now you accept part of reality. Zalatix Nov 2012 #156

And and I'll mark you down as "F" for Foxnews... JackRiddler Nov 2012 #117

Once again you are down for censorship. Zalatix Nov 2012 #122

Your fake issue is pretty crazy. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #128

Your defense of China is pretty crazy. It would fit right into their propaganda machine. Zalatix Nov 2012 #139

Plenty of folks on Freeperville will want to discuss your "China censorship" issue.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #131

China should welcome you with open arms for defending their undemocratic policies. Zalatix Nov 2012 #138

Wow. I guess reading comprehension is not your thing! What's your personal motto?.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #142

You support Chinese censorship. That is reality on Terra Firma. Denial is your thing. Zalatix Nov 2012 #143

LOL!! Stop lying about my beliefs. I don't support censorship of any kind... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #145

LOL! I'm not lying about your beliefs at all. You just keep avoiding and denying the facts. Period. Zalatix Nov 2012 #146

Wow. Looks like I struck a nerve! I get the sense you've gone off your meds...seek help. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #149

LOL, backed into a corner, you flee to personal attacks. Who struck a nerve again? Zalatix Nov 2012 #150

NeoCon bullshit. You're CLEARLY on the wrong board. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #152

LOL! All I gotta do is criticize Chinese censorship to hit your rage button! Zalatix Nov 2012 #154

Ben Kingsley will be fine in the role, but.... agentS Nov 2012 #109

I've lived in China and experienced the censorship davidpdx Nov 2012 #111

Damn, you're lucky you didn't get caught. Zalatix Nov 2012 #112

They probably would have deported me davidpdx Nov 2012 #113

I was in Beijing before the internet, but we managed to get geardaddy Nov 2012 #133

Yeah as long as it's not something that is over critical of China davidpdx Nov 2012 #136

Yep. geardaddy Nov 2012 #141

LOL. Who do you think is REALLY dictating the banning of the use of Chinese villains?.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #114

I think it's that the producers believe the box office returns are more important LanternWaste Nov 2012 #124

BFEE tells us to. Octafish Nov 2012 #130

You can't badmouth Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan either. geardaddy Nov 2012 #134

Not exactly... markpkessinger Nov 2012 #135

How about option #3: Focus my ire on all of the above? Zalatix Nov 2012 #147

They're not dictating anything to you LittleBlue Nov 2012 #140

Yes, they do dictate to all of us. Zalatix Nov 2012 #144

Your nonsense is getting really old. It's straight out of the NeoCon/Cold War playbook.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #148

Your irrational rage at me criticizing China is getting to be hilarious! Zalatix Nov 2012 #151

First, you lied about me believing that China has no internal censorship.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #153

First, in your moment of RAGE!!! you failed to read what I said. Zalatix Nov 2012 #155