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(12,598 posts) Tue Apr 19, 2022, 12:36 AM Apr 2022

A note about the 'Azov Regiment' [View all]

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I cringe whenever I see reports about the Azov Regiment EDIT: Not because of their conduct or competance /EDIT because they are the poster child for Russian propaganda. The Regiment is named after the Azov Sea, and numbers about 1,200 men. Their symbol is the wolfsange, a rune adopted by the Nazis in WWII. Azov was founded in 2014 by Andriy Biletsky (IMO a bone-fide Neo-Nazi) who went on to found the 'National Corps' political party in 2016, after Azov was integrated into Ukrainian national defense. The party received 3.5% of the vote in the 2019 elections, and Biletsky himself lost his seat.

Why all this history? Because the Azov Commander Denys Prokopenko, and the majority of the regiment, are in Azovstal steel factory at Mariupol. Azov is a volunteer force. I have no idea how many Neo-Nazi might be amongst the number, but few if any of the regiment will make it out alive. Expect to hear the Russians talking about de-Nazifaction.

A profile of the Azov Regiment is here-
https://www.raamoprusland.nl/dossiers/oekraine/2093-a-short-history-of-azov-and-ukrainian-fascism

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A note about the 'Azov Regiment' [View all] speak easy Apr 2022 OP

Ever heard of Werner von Braun? tirebiter Apr 2022 #1

Indeed. speak easy Apr 2022 #2

They Will Die There, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2022 #3

That's a bit overstated, and it's not like Ukraine can be picky about who defends them in Mariupol. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author speak easy Apr 2022 #5

+1, uponit7771 Apr 2022 #18

Long, long before the Russian invasion, I was a large documentarian of neo nazi Celerity Apr 2022 #23

Wrong. National Idea, in Ukrainian, using Latin letters, is NI. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #29

In a letter signed by 40 US House Democrats and addressed to the Secretary of State Mike Celerity Apr 2022 #38

This was from 2019. The Azov REGIMENT in Mariupol does not "openly welcome neo-Nazis" SunSeeker Apr 2022 #39

it's the same group, it didn't magically change in the last 2 or so years, that is preposterous Celerity Apr 2022 #45

No, it is not the same group. The people of Mariupol are in the Azov Regiment. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #47

repeating the same rebutted statements and ad hominem attacks via false framing is a sure sign you Celerity Apr 2022 #48

You haven't rebutted a damn thing. Those civilians are now in the Regiment, as shown in that pic. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #49

the totality of our colloquy paints a far different picture from your claim: Celerity Apr 2022 #50

Do you think Post 20's picture with the NATO & NAZI flags is not Putin propaganda? SunSeeker Apr 2022 #58

You are applying ex post facto framing. Also, you cannot even keep your Ukrainian cities straight. Celerity Apr 2022 #64

So you're fine with that picture in post 20? So noted. nt SunSeeker Apr 2022 #65

Non sequitur, plus you are apparently fine with using the wrong city to push a false claim, plus Celerity Apr 2022 #67

Here is a good start for your scorecard. SmallFry Apr 2022 #68

I have made no "false claims." Here's pictures from Mariupol. All you had to do was ask. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #70

Ever heard of the Wagner Group? Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #6

I haven't posted a word of criticism. speak easy Apr 2022 #7

They are literal neo-nazis. Socal31 Apr 2022 #8

Do you think they're worse than the Wagner Group? Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #9

I heard an interesting BBC Inquiry into the Wagner Group. speak easy Apr 2022 #12

Kind of like the Waffen SS was the arm of the SS in Nazi Germany mitch96 Apr 2022 #19

Their founder was a Neo-Nazi speak easy Apr 2022 #10

My understanding they were founded as such, but are more generic RW militia now Amishman Apr 2022 #22

No, they're not. They deny they are neo-Nazis. That is why Twitter allows praising them. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #33

You're wrong. Socal31 May 2022 #73

You're wrong. "The flag" of the Azov Regiment of the Ukraine National Guard is the Ukrainian flag. SunSeeker May 2022 #74

The Ukrainian Marines and volunteer fighters made a mistake when joining with them recently. Xolodno Apr 2022 #11

Russia isn't going to take Kharkiv easily. speak easy Apr 2022 #13

Yes, which the Soviet Union built. Xolodno Apr 2022 #14

By some accounts the Russians were not expecting much resistance in Kharkiv speak easy Apr 2022 #15

Ты откуда? Igel Apr 2022 #55

I've read different things. I do know they are fighting to defend Tomconroy Apr 2022 #16

I wrote this OP to say most of the Regiment is trapped in Mariupol, speak easy Apr 2022 #17

Many of the Azov have proclaimed they are Nazi. mitch96 Apr 2022 #20

An Auschwitz tattoo. Is this real? speak easy Apr 2022 #21

Why post those random, undated Putin propaganda pictures here? SunSeeker Apr 2022 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author mitch96 Apr 2022 #35

They're literally Nazi's AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #24

cf Ivan Gomza 'A short history of Azov and Ukrainian fascism' speak easy Apr 2022 #25

No, the Azov Regiment in Mariupol is not "actual Nazis." That is Russian propaganda. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #31

Sorry but no AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #36

You are citing years-old comments. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #41

Read the article you posted AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #51

Your own source calls them Nazis. Why cite Russian propaganda? Lancero Apr 2022 #37

No it doesn't. The neo-Nazis split off to become an (unsuccessful) political group. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #40

Except that most of the incidents the article cites happened AFTER he left. Lancero Apr 2022 #42

Their commander in chief is now a Jew. You think that makes no difference? SunSeeker Apr 2022 #43

No, you're just posting a article calling the Azov Regiment a neo-nazi group. Lancero Apr 2022 #44

Bullshit. As the article points out, the Regiment now includes the citizens of Mariupol. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #46

Those are CIVILIANS AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #52

They are former civilians who are now part of the Azov Regiment in Mariupol. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #56

It's very disgusting that some people keep repeatedly posting articles... Lancero Apr 2022 #57

It's very disgusting that people claim the Azov Regiment in Mariupol are Nazis. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #59

I'm not the one posting articles calling the Azov Batallion Nazi's. Lancero Apr 2022 #60

Of course I don't think they're Nazis. Why don't you answer my question? SunSeeker Apr 2022 #61

Still waiting on a answer to the question I posted in 37. Lancero Apr 2022 #62

Got it, you want to play word games. Not interested. nt SunSeeker Apr 2022 #63

Miinor detail: Richard Wagner, not Robert. But thanks for Ilsa Apr 2022 #66

Thanks, I fixed the typo. nt SunSeeker Apr 2022 #69

Here's an interesting article. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #26

I wish I had never posted the OP. speak easy Apr 2022 #27

This was more for the benefit of some of the other posters on here. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #28

Yes, unfortunately it summoned the posting of some pretty vile Putin propaganda pics/posters. nt SunSeeker Apr 2022 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author mitch96 Apr 2022 #34

Even the ADL disagrees with you AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #53

Bull. Again, that is referring to the Azov Batallion. Not the Azov Regiment in Mariupol NOW. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #54

They are Nazis. Many with swastika tattoos. David__77 Apr 2022 #71

cf Ivan Gomza 'A short history of Azov and Ukrainian fascism' speak easy Apr 2022 #72