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ShazzieB

(22,616 posts)
27. That was completely unnecessary.
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 04:47 PM
Apr 2022

"Religion" is a very broad umbrella term that includes an entire universe of incredibly diverse concepts, organizations, beliefs, writings, practices, and people. To call "religion" a sickness implies a condemnation of everything in that vast and diverse universe, and I find that to be unfair and illogical.

It's true that terrible things are done in the name of "religion" every day. There are terrible people everywhere, inside religion, and outside of it, and those terrible people will use any convenient excuse to justify their terribleness. Does that mean every single concept, organization, belief, writing, practice, and person under that umbrella is suffering from a "sickness"? If that's what anyone here believes, I beg to differ.

When I look around me, I see not just evil but also many, many wonderful, loving, kind people in the world, some under the umbrella of religion and some outside of it, doing wonderful things for others and striving to live the best lives they can. For SOME of those people, their religious beliefs (which you call a sickness) are actually a chief motivating factor for their service to others.

Take Jimmy Carter, who most of us here admire greatly. He is a DEEPLY religious man who has made no secret of that fact or of the fact that his faith is an integral part of who he is and a chief source of inspiration for how he lives his life. Does that good, kind, gracious, humble man have a sickness?

Martin Luther King, Jr. was also a deeply religious man, and we all know what he accomplished. The ideas that underlay his actions, especially his belief in nonviolence as the best way to fight the battles he was involved in, were part and parcel of and inexplicably intertwined with his religion. If religion is nothing more than a sickness, then I guess he was sick, too, and everything he accomplished was... in spite of that? I'm pretty sure he would tell us differently if he were around to do so.

I could go on and on, but that would be a waste of my time and everyone else's. The point is, "religion" means a whole universe of different things. It's true that much evil is done under the rubric of "religion," and many evil people use it as an excuse to do evil, but that's far from the whole story. Much good is done under that rubric as well. It doesn't make any more sense to blame religion for every bad thing done by every bad person ever than it does to give it credit for every good thing, and it doesn't make any sense to me to label everything under that rubric as a sickness, either.

I know atheists get a bad rap a lot of the time from religious people who don't understand how someone can possibly be a moral, ethical, upright, decent human without believing in God. I'm not an atheist myself, but I know that's ridiculous, and I think it sucks. I feel more of a kinship with some atheists than I do with some religious people (the Westboro Baptist Church kind, for example), because there are atheists who believe in more of the same things I do than some religious people do. I just don't think it's fair or reasonable to tar everything in the huge, enormous universe that falls under the umbrella of "religion" as a sickness. If that's not what you meant to do, then maybe you should think twice about making such broad and unnuanced statements.

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Heart-breaking. I, too, have a gay child. Laffy Kat Apr 2022 #1
Same here Bluesaph Apr 2022 #10
As a mom, I so feel your pain. Laffy Kat Apr 2022 #50
Same. catrose Apr 2022 #52
Blessings Laffy Kat cilla4progress Apr 2022 #16
Thank you cilla4progress. Laffy Kat Apr 2022 #51
I have no words. TomSlick Apr 2022 #2
So sadly necessary Ninga Apr 2022 #3
Beyond heartbreaking... makes me so angry!! How can some people be so cruel?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2022 #4
My heart breaks for you and your son and ALL families of LGBTQ people. ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ a kennedy Apr 2022 #5
I hope Sharon Underwood's son is well and happy Martin Eden Apr 2022 #6
I am a lesbian. Lunabell Apr 2022 #7
Blessings Lunabell cilla4progress Apr 2022 #17
Your post could have been written by my Sister.. Permanut Apr 2022 #25
As a gay man, I have always marveled at the hypocrisy of this nation. roamer65 Apr 2022 #8
Blessings, roamer cilla4progress Apr 2022 #18
... roamer65 Apr 2022 #29
yes, and I would have hoped by now we would be past this crap Skittles Apr 2022 #30
If they had their way, we would be going into gas chambers again. roamer65 Apr 2022 #31
you've got plenty of company who would fight with you, roamer65 Skittles Apr 2022 #38
... roamer65 Apr 2022 #40
.. jfz9580m Apr 2022 #42
You said exactly what I have heard my gay adult son say many times over the years. He is a KPN Apr 2022 #61
Smart boy you have there. roamer65 Apr 2022 #67
Lol. I see what you did there. But yes, true. KPN Apr 2022 #69
Not every gay man comes out of it well. roamer65 Apr 2022 #70
I love the line Diamond_Dog Apr 2022 #9
Gotta give this a KICK! bluestarone Apr 2022 #11
k&r for visibility alwaysinasnit Apr 2022 #12
The whole letter is fantastic. SoonerPride Apr 2022 #13
I post it every now and then for those who haven't seen it Martin Eden Apr 2022 #14
god!! that must be so difficult for him. I wish I could tell him demigoddess Apr 2022 #15
KnR Hekate Apr 2022 #19
Homosexuality is not a sickness. dchill Apr 2022 #20
That was completely unnecessary. ShazzieB Apr 2022 #27
NO ONE needs religion to be a good person Skittles Apr 2022 #33
+1000 roamer65 Apr 2022 #34
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil sop Apr 2022 #54
outstanding quote Skittles Apr 2022 #65
I felt it WAS necessary. dchill Apr 2022 #39
Religious people tend to preach a lot. twodogsbarking Apr 2022 #45
I do none of the above. shrike3 Apr 2022 #62
It may be unnecessary, but it's definitely DU. shrike3 Apr 2022 #63
I agree Skittles Apr 2022 #32
Religion is POISON. roamer65 Apr 2022 #35
Oh yeah. twodogsbarking Apr 2022 #44
No,not a sickness. soldierant Apr 2022 #47
Religion is very like Q. dchill Apr 2022 #48
This is how right wing haters groom their children to build the next generation of hate. patphil Apr 2022 #21
I do not understand why we attack anyone who is different just cause they are different. The Jungle 1 Apr 2022 #22
I too Cherokee100 Apr 2022 #23
Unfortunately, it seems more relevant today than even then. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2022 #24
Morality Thugs. I REALLY like that! calimary Apr 2022 #26
Well, the way I see it, there are normal gays, and there are abnormal ones, ie, closeted republicans housecat Apr 2022 #28
Poor kid vercetti2021 Apr 2022 #36
22 years ago and we are still putting children through this crap mcar Apr 2022 #37
K&R.nt jfz9580m Apr 2022 #41
butbutbut you are taking away the 'enemy' from the GOP. they need to pick on SOMEBODY. WAIT! we can pansypoo53219 Apr 2022 #43
Oh god, this just breaks my heart. smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #46
"Making children aware at a young age" Martin Eden Apr 2022 #53
Thank you for posting this LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #49
Well done. My gay stepson -- a wonderful person -- died of AIDS in 1996. Thank goodness allegorical oracle Apr 2022 #55
There's a ring and circle The Wizard Apr 2022 #56
The GQP base has been misled to believe they are protecting children Martin Eden Apr 2022 #57
The essence of today's GQP The Wizard Apr 2022 #71
Martin Eden.... Upthevibe Apr 2022 #58
human beings are very cruel llashram Apr 2022 #59
These phucking people. Snackshack Apr 2022 #60
I've wondered about this for decades now. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2022 #64
K&R MustLoveBeagles Apr 2022 #66
Stupid people believe stupid things. Caliman73 Apr 2022 #68
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