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bucolic_frolic

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2. It's just too much of a freebie

Mon May 2, 2022, 01:31 PM

May 2022

Things in life are not free. Someone has to pay, even if it's through more inflation (devaluation of our currency).

A token 1% annual taxable income through age 55 would still be a payment that anyone can manage.

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AOC to those who paid off student loans: 'We can support things we we won't directly benefit from' [View all] 867-5309. May 2022 OP

Think of it as an opportunity... maybe without the specter of student loans over their head ck4829 May 2022 #1

I see what you did there. 😄 Diamond_Dog May 2022 #4

But only BS degrees get money Igirl May 2022 #102

I'm sorry, what? ck4829 May 2022 #104

It's just too much of a freebie bucolic_frolic May 2022 #2

Student loan borrowers do generally pay taxes. ColinC May 2022 #5

If you want the party to smack of elitism forgive loans for the best educated part of the population bucolic_frolic May 2022 #14

So your real objection to loan forgiveness is... canuckledragger May 2022 #22

Truth! aurora the great May 2022 #27

The way I read their objection is that... BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #63

Those without college degrees COULD THEN AFFORD to pursue/continue. Doremus May 2022 #24

I agree that this is clearly a short term solution. But to deny that it would substantially ColinC May 2022 #28

Your position is closely aligned with Mitt Romney's nt Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #34

A valid point. colorado_ufo May 2022 #43

You will benefit from a better economy Lars39 May 2022 #9

What about those of us over 55? OneGrassRoot May 2022 #10

Can you point me to any... ret5hd May 2022 #11

As if it matters if I did? You're linking two different ideas bucolic_frolic May 2022 #13

Which of these arguments do not apply to ppp? ret5hd May 2022 #17

I don't understand this qazplm135 May 2022 #15

No, I'm against government giving the most help to elites who have a bright future bucolic_frolic May 2022 #16

there's plenty of teachers qazplm135 May 2022 #21

re: "who could use the help" thesquanderer May 2022 #31

it's pretty rare when something qazplm135 May 2022 #40

*** soldierant May 2022 #48

Eggs cilla4progress May 2022 #79

I sacrificed for years to pay off my loams. Calista241 May 2022 #71

feeds into the bullshit that Dems want free stuff Skittles May 2022 #109

That's one big difference between Rs and Ds Diamond_Dog May 2022 #3

I dunno man. Look around DU and this thread and there are plenty of people... spudspud May 2022 #33

I'm against student loan forgiveness because I think that amount of money can be used to help... BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #67

Sure. spudspud May 2022 #77

Are you against any level of forgiveness, and also against it if is means tested/wealth capped? Celerity May 2022 #85

Means-tested, wealth capped, lowering the interest rate to 0%, etc. BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #86

fair enough, I have seen more than a few here in the past 18 months or so flat out-out say zero Celerity May 2022 #89

Can you point me to any... ret5hd May 2022 #110

It also benefits cilla4progress May 2022 #6

Why don't we give money to all young people, then... BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #64

Sure, why not? cilla4progress May 2022 #74

I'm fine with giving young people a boost. BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #76

Well I agree, I would not advocate for this. cilla4progress May 2022 #78

It almost feels like NIMBYism Sympthsical May 2022 #7

I Didn't Get Much Help ProfessorGAC May 2022 #18

You'd be surprised at some in state school costs Colorado Liberal May 2022 #46

That's Why I Used... ProfessorGAC May 2022 #56

I like your ideas. Ms. Toad May 2022 #83

Thanks ProfessorGAC May 2022 #84

Not without parents who are extremely frugal - Ms. Toad May 2022 #88

Agree 100% geardaddy May 2022 #32

Love this. cilla4progress May 2022 #80

Sure we can... but we won't. Your average person is too selfish and greedy Amishman May 2022 #8

That is a problem we do need to address, I think it's something similar for universal healthcare ck4829 May 2022 #12

I always support things I don't benefit from arlyellowdog May 2022 #19

You do benefit from supporting a safety net for unfortunate people. Wingus Dingus May 2022 #58

I recently just paid off my student loans. Coventina May 2022 #20

The people supporting tax cuts for Elon Musk, mzmolly May 2022 #23

I was lucky enough to pay for college outright years and years ago Dorian Gray May 2022 #25

Paid my daughter's loans at expense of my retirement Captain Zero May 2022 #26

This is a HUGE issue with Millennials. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #29

I feel like he should start by announcing forgiveness for $10,000 per student questionseverything May 2022 #35

I agree. I think that would be enough. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #41

He has been talking about it last week so he is not ignoring it but questionseverything May 2022 #45

A problem is that you have more than a few here who are against any amount of forgiveness, even if Celerity May 2022 #98

Biden made a campaign promise, then he got elected questionseverything May 2022 #99

I have seen the 'No, nothing' (little play on words, lol) crowd try to frame even the 10K usd Celerity May 2022 #100

Ty for the info questionseverything May 2022 #105

I have been in the trenches on this since it first came up. It is a HUGE issue with Americans Celerity May 2022 #106

Even if we did this having a great deal of experience with Millennials don't be surprised if Demsrule86 May 2022 #37

I taught Millennials in high school through the whole generation. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #42

I will believe they will vote when I see it. In the meantime, it will hurt us at the midterm. Demsrule86 May 2022 #47

Why is the price of the millennial vote so high? BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #61

Because we earlier generations managed to screw up cilla4progress May 2022 #81

I mean other than PPP loans that were forgiven to large business. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #92

Agree, won't make much of a difference in turn out. betsuni May 2022 #75

Really. Their support for Dems dipped some from 2018. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #94

Why did their support for Democrats dip? betsuni May 2022 #101

This 👆 WiVoter May 2022 #66

I submit we all will benefit from this. Gore1FL May 2022 #30

So is giving money to everyone, though. BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #65

Maybe it would be fairer, but I don't know if it would be as effective. Gore1FL May 2022 #68

Does AOC think that is helpful? I don't. This is why I say the student debt thing Demsrule86 May 2022 #36

You do realize that the "young people" turned out for Biden at a higher percentage Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #44

I don't think that is true. Demsrule86 May 2022 #49

Did you miss the "for Biden" part of the post? Rob H. May 2022 #53

Really not important what you think, really. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #93

Also, your argument of higher turnout for Boomers and older Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 May 2022 #50

Funny how that part of it always gets left out. Mariana May 2022 #72

It's almost like it's something people should know by now. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #96

One way or another, I think college should be affordable to Torchlight May 2022 #38

My issue is what happens going forward? Can current students plan on getting their loans cancelled? unitedwethrive May 2022 #39

Very good point that nobody is addressing Zeitghost May 2022 #107

Yep. I try not to get mad when people don't get fucked over as hard as I did. Iggo May 2022 #51

No more big moves until democrats improve PR / messaging ecstatic May 2022 #52

This! unitedwethrive May 2022 #57

I'm one of them. I paid off my loans 2 years ago. SYFROYH May 2022 #54

And what happens next year? brooklynite May 2022 #55

Well, we need to fix the system, Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #97

Cancelling $1.7 trillion in student loans would be a gigantic transfer of wealth... BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #59

Millennials and Gen Z think they're entitled to it, and Dem politicians want to Wingus Dingus May 2022 #60

I'm not even convinced it'd be a good move politically. BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #62

They think they're entitled to it because Biden campaigned on it. Mariana May 2022 #73

Don't help poor people because it might help rich people. Iggo May 2022 #69

Cancelling student loans helps rich people MORE than it helps poor people. BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #70

Can you provide cilla4progress May 2022 #82

Here's something from the Brookings Institution BlueCheeseAgain May 2022 #87

Here's something offered as a partial rebuttal to the other poster (and also from the Brookings Celerity May 2022 #90

It's not hard to understand Zeitghost May 2022 #108

I'm not worried about those who've already paid theirs off Zeitghost May 2022 #91

Exactly- this is really questionable policy Alhena May 2022 #103