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In reply to the discussion: The problem of our military worshipping culture [View all]sarisataka
(22,701 posts)5. From the other side
It was interesting to see so many violent reactions in another thread about a military tradition of an honor guard, and how many people were aghast that some were not properly respectful and admiring of our great military and its grand heroes. Even supposed left leaning Democrats were sounding a bit right winger-ish, tossing around terms like "unpatriotic" and so on for the apparently unpardonable sin that some posters didn't seem to feel awe and reverence for the pomp and ceremony of a military tradition.
It was also interesting to see how many went out of their way to make unnecessary, venomous comments and broad brush condemnations of anyone who would join the military or in any way respect those who do.
This worship of all things military seems deeply ingrained into our culture, with this theme pounded into our psyche almost daily. I always remember what I find to be a particularly repellent commercial/public service message that seems to play often around Christmas, where in an airport some soldiers are walking through, apparently having just got off a plane, and spontaneous applause breaks out and spreads among the regular citizens who are in the airport and notice the soldiers. I just find this eye-rolling in its blatant propagandist message personally.
If the country is so lock-step military worshiping, how come less than 1% actually are in the military. I also believe the total number of vets is less than 10% now. Shouldn't recruiters have people lined up around the block to join?
By putting this concept of {military = patriotism and heroes} implanted so deep into the people, we of course are much more likely to support wars and military action, because after all, you have to support the troops, right? If you don't then you are just being a low-life and must hate America, or so the thinking and messaging goes. It's even a bit insidious how this all works, in my humble opinion. Anyones' opinions on this topic are welcome.
I disagree that it causes people to support military action more. Many recognize that the majority of those who join the military are patriotic. They believe in the principles the country was founded on. Unlike 99% of the population they are willing to step up and lay their life on the line to defend those principles.
Does that mean people who do not join are unpatriotic-no
Does it mean that police, firemen, teachers, aid workers etc. do not also face risks and do not also give service to the country-no
Has the trust the military places in the civilian leadership been abused and they have been sent into dubious conflicts-yes
Is it fair to single out those who have chosen this career, be it for 2 years, 30 years or until death, and ridicule the respect they have for those who have gone before... to heap derision upon them for bad choices made by politicians... to drop them all into a stereotype bucket that if applied to other groups would bring out a mob of condemnation and accusations of racism, sexism, classism and many other 'isms'...
That is for you to answer to yourself...
For myself, proud to have served, proud of my brothers and sisters who carry on. I accept them knowing the near superhuman courage and potential some have and acknowledging the all to human faults and shortcomings they have.
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You still don't get it. No one volunteers to fight. They volunteer to serve. And...
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#113
See, you are wrong. No, I was not issued a weapon of any kind. You make assumptions galore.
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#130
I enlisted and started at lowest rank like everyone else. You do not know what you are talking about
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#134
No, I didnt do any more than that. Enlistees in the Air Force and Navy are not ground fighters.
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#140
No, again you are wrong. Air force and navy enlistees do not pilot drones.
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#144
I already answered post 118. What didnt you like about my response. A marine has also weighed in and
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#157
Air Force basic training has gone through several iterations in the past 40 years
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#154
So... your cousin is a Merchant Marine. Does he know the words to "The Halls of Montezuma"?
cherokeeprogressive
Oct 2012
#149
Because you refuse to listen to the people who have actual experience in favor of your assumptions.
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#168
Post 118 doesn't ask a fucking question. But you tell your Merchant Marine cousin we're thankful
cherokeeprogressive
Oct 2012
#178
Because they took an oath to die defending the Constitution. And they did. nt
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#76
And I took an oath to always be irreverent. Accord me the same special honor.
TransitJohn
Oct 2012
#100
"I defy you to tell me how I, personally, have benefited from the presence of War, Inc"
EX500rider
Oct 2012
#195
Better question, 'what is YOUR point'? DU is not the country, it is a miniscule
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#26
No--I asked you a question, first. What are you doing for the men whose pictures you
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#51
You are the one who used their pictures. Tell us what you are doing for these men, that you thought
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#63
The answer is simple. Republicans don't care about funding help for veterans when they come home.
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#117
It shows a lack of empathy because people are worried about the living, not the dead?
Bladian
Oct 2012
#67
I don't see anyone mocking a gravesite. I see people questioning how it honors
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#147
I'd rather we honor them too. Neglecting them is not exactly honoring them. One
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#56
People said the guards at the tomb bring a tear??? The homeless man with the dog guts me.
Romulox
Oct 2012
#21
So tell us the opportunity you took to help the men whose pictures you used? nt
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#37
Again--you used these men's pictures. Tell us what you are doing for them. nt
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#47
I currently provide transportation on an ad hoc basis for Vets--homeless and otherwise
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#61
Election monitor/attorney in PA next Tuesday. 2k of us in PA. I'm sure most of us fail the purity
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#75
Nor do they get off their asses. The 101st Chairborne, bombs of poutrage. nt
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#84
I don't think that a person who has worked with homeless vets would feel comfortable using them
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#119
Sabrina, have you taken to answering my posts twice because I'm not answering you
msanthrope
Oct 2012
#175
I prefer to ignore the pomp and circumstance which really does nothing for actual soldiers..
EX500rider
Oct 2012
#196
I imagine there are a handful who greatly respect, even admire the military.
LanternWaste
Oct 2012
#48
You are wrong again. No surprise here. In virtually all Democracies, the populace respects the
stevenleser
Oct 2012
#122
Two of the greatest authorities on this issue agree. Generals Eisenhower and Butler.
Egalitarian Thug
Oct 2012
#77
Of course it does. The Tomb exists to honor those that have given the last measure
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#214
You don't think the military has become a sacred cow in this country?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2012
#109
Veterans are treated like Shit , there is no worship of Military, there is worship of War Mongering
JI7
Oct 2012
#115
Venerating a tomb (and by extension, a culture of militarism) isn't the same as caring for vets.
Romulox
Oct 2012
#152