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In reply to the discussion: Bill Mahar on Friday [View all]

NanceGreggs

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18. Saw the segment ...
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 08:44 AM
Jun 2022

... and totally disagree with his analysis/conclusion.

A politician identifying himself by a "label" appeals to voters who tend not to look beyond it. Saying "I'm a conservative" translates as "if you're also a conservative, we are the same - so it is obvious you should vote for me."

It only speaks to the "label" - it does not address issues or policies, but encourages the voter not to feel a need to look into those things any further. The message is simply "vote for me because I wear a label you identify with - so details about my political position are basically irrelevant."

This works well with Republican voters, who tend to be ill-informed and not terribly interested in anything beyond what label a politician wears.

Democrats and Democrat-leaning voters tend to be better-informed and far more interested in the details. They want to know who a candidate really is, what they stand for, what their past record is - and, in particular, what their agenda will be once elected.

Saying "I'm a liberal" just doesn't cut it for voters who recognize who a liberal is by what they actually DO, and not by a label they affix to themselves - especially one that sounds more like a simple-minded bumper-sticker than a substantive resume of ideas and ideals.

It's not unlike politicians who label themselves as "good Christians". If you really ARE a good Christian, you don't have to advertise it - your actions will speak for themselves.

For Republican voters, the "I'm a Conservative" label is the same as "One size fits all".

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Bill Mahar on Friday [View all] Norbert Jun 2022 OP
Well, we are always acting terrified of being accused of being liberal. It's like there's something TreasonousBastard Jun 2022 #1
Have to say it was one of his best shows HAB911 Jun 2022 #2
I have to admit I was ready to dislike Shellenberger localroger Jun 2022 #23
When they were discussing homelessness Sympthsical Jun 2022 #31
Those ads were eye-opening, for sure. kentuck Jun 2022 #33
As a Bay Arean, I wasn't that shocked Sympthsical Jun 2022 #42
It's our Calvinist Puritan background. Conservative sounds moral liberal sounds like loose morality Walleye Jun 2022 #3
And today's self-described "conservatives" PatSeg Jun 2022 #27
Seems like they have hijacked the whole English language. Don't know what we can do Walleye Jun 2022 #28
I think there is room for better communication. kentuck Jun 2022 #29
If only we could. We need Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, something Walleye Jun 2022 #30
Yes, well said PatSeg Jun 2022 #36
That is true PatSeg Jun 2022 #34
Abusive spouse is a good description. Their tactics seem related to toxic masculinity Walleye Jun 2022 #37
Yes, sometimes as I watch and listen PatSeg Jun 2022 #45
They have perfected their propaganda... kentuck Jun 2022 #38
Yes, they are classic carnival barkers PatSeg Jun 2022 #47
It's so hard trying to care about people without lying to them.. *single tear rolls down cheek* NCLefty Jun 2022 #4
Perception is reality. kentuck Jun 2022 #5
"If you cannot beat this insane bunch of Republicans, you have a big problem with your brand." betsuni Jun 2022 #7
It means... kentuck Jun 2022 #8
Why blame Democrats? People don't vote for Republicans because Democrats are bad. betsuni Jun 2022 #11
I would not say "Democrats are bad"... kentuck Jun 2022 #13
Republicans have spent billion$ over the last four or five decades vilifying the word "liberal." sop Jun 2022 #21
"we let them buy it"... kentuck Jun 2022 #26
Corporate donors fund hundreds of GOP "think tanks" devoted exclusively to crafting pejorative sop Jun 2022 #39
Bad at messaging, flawed candidates (bad), not being able to get enough votes to pass their betsuni Jun 2022 #24
re: "tear down the statue of Thomas Jefferson"...is not going to win you a lot of elections thesquanderer Jun 2022 #20
You are right. kentuck Jun 2022 #22
This seems to be very true. Down here in Alabama, there are literally thousands of political signs Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #6
"Democrats and progressives." The Democratic Party is the progressive party. betsuni Jun 2022 #9
"generally a better product." Paladin Jun 2022 #10
I've heard pro-liberal arguments all the time. Starting with Lawrence O'Donnell. I never hear ancianita Jun 2022 #12
It's, again, the messaging failure Icanthinkformyself Jun 2022 #14
A little late to the party Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #15
It's gotten to the point where... kentuck Jun 2022 #16
"I'm the most conservative" gets you the xenophobic, frightened, aggrieved. "I'm the most liberal... thesquanderer Jun 2022 #17
And When Was The Last Time We Heard The Words WiVoter Jun 2022 #32
Saw the segment ... NanceGreggs Jun 2022 #18
I agree that dems should act more proud and out loud Alpeduez21 Jun 2022 #19
OTOH, I've found it's rarer to see a republican SAY he's a republican in his advertising. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2022 #25
can confirm. mopinko Jun 2022 #50
The media and the Republican Party have defined liberalism and Democrats to our detriment. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #35
We compartmentalized ourselves, which is a problem Sympthsical Jun 2022 #40
A couple of weeks ago Bill Maher had a pithy line: Democrats used to be Tomconroy Jun 2022 #46
I'm ambivalent about academia on account Sympthsical Jun 2022 #48
Agreed. Tomconroy Jun 2022 #49
The GOP is a fucking cult jcgoldie Jun 2022 #41
I've been publicly declaring... Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #43
I hear you, but... Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #44
Call Republican politicians liars. Tamp down and dismiss left-wing self-elected zealots. gulliver Jun 2022 #51
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