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Sympthsical

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40. We compartmentalized ourselves, which is a problem
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 09:41 AM
Jun 2022

As I watched his commentary on this, I kept thinking, "It works, because conservatives generally have a unified identity that can be appealed to." Guns or religion or immigration or just hating whatever it is the Left is doing this week. It's fairly simple and straightforward. Conservatives I know who aren't say, particularly religious or gun owners, overlook it, because they're on board with the basic foundational things of conservatism. And a lot of the time, conservative just means, "Not what the Left is doing."

Which, hey, we have people in our own party who spend all day hating on whatever the Left is doing. So, what to do about that.

The Democratic Party, for good or ill (I tend to think ill), has wholly embraced identity politics over time. It's all about who we are instead of what we think, and we have become more granularly compartmentalized over time. Our ideology diced all of us up, and our politicians now have to somehow cater to everything, everywhere, all at once. I'm not just a Democratic voter. I'm a gay, white, suburban male worried about climate change, the electric grid, economic and social justice, student loans, the cost of health care, and housing costs. (using myself as an example so as to not call anyone out).

Now check all those boxes, or I'm coming for you, you homophobic, racist, rural, climate denier who probably burns coal! Hold on. Let me get my twitter so I can let everyone who isn't me have it.

Before anyone thinks this is an endorsement of, "The Party Before All," or a denunciation of "purity politics" - it's not. (Purity tends to be used as a dismissal of just about any issue. If they never matter because there's always an election coming, how do they matter at all?) I think that thinking has 1). Wrecked us at the polls almost my entire life absent a once in a generation politician in President Obama, and 2). Been used as an excuse to allow our own politicians to do as little as possible with as little accountability as possible, thus leading to a cycle of apathy and disenchantment. Look at New York state and that climate initiative that failed under a Democratic supermajority.

But how many times do you see any issue at all, and the answer or rationale of the person's opinion is, "As a Democrat" or "As a liberal." It's not too often. It's always, "As a gay man. As a woman. As a minority. As a victim of . . ."

The identity is more important than the idea. And the idea can't be criticized, because then it's met with a dishonest invocation of the identity. "If you don't like this idea, it's because you're racist." Ok, but what if I'm not racist? What if it's just a really bad idea?

But the ship has sailed, because we operate within an ideology that ordains that ideas and identities are the same things.

So our politicians don't have much unifying to appeal to. There's no lowest common denominators. There are plenty of low ones, but there aren't many common ones. Our politicians have to check too many boxes.

I don't see this getting any better. This, "It's all about me and what I am," strain of politics is getting worse over time. Millennials and Zoomers absolutely embrace this identity stuff to a more radical degree. And I can say that as a Millennial. Most of my peers don't identify as liberal or Democrat. They will sometimes identify as progressive, and when doing so usually they're discussing policy concers outside of identity. Climate change. Economic justice. Corporate control. Otherwise, it's all about their identity.

But as long as we're separating ourselves and chopping ourselves up into smaller and smaller identity squares, we make it impossible to have a unified party in the way Republicans do. Yes, the Big Tent is a good thing, but if it's a tent full of cubicles where people are solely worried about what's going on in their corner and no one else, it's not going to be a functional tent.

There's going to have to be a point where we get over ourselves a bit.

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Bill Mahar on Friday [View all] Norbert Jun 2022 OP
Well, we are always acting terrified of being accused of being liberal. It's like there's something TreasonousBastard Jun 2022 #1
Have to say it was one of his best shows HAB911 Jun 2022 #2
I have to admit I was ready to dislike Shellenberger localroger Jun 2022 #23
When they were discussing homelessness Sympthsical Jun 2022 #31
Those ads were eye-opening, for sure. kentuck Jun 2022 #33
As a Bay Arean, I wasn't that shocked Sympthsical Jun 2022 #42
It's our Calvinist Puritan background. Conservative sounds moral liberal sounds like loose morality Walleye Jun 2022 #3
And today's self-described "conservatives" PatSeg Jun 2022 #27
Seems like they have hijacked the whole English language. Don't know what we can do Walleye Jun 2022 #28
I think there is room for better communication. kentuck Jun 2022 #29
If only we could. We need Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, something Walleye Jun 2022 #30
Yes, well said PatSeg Jun 2022 #36
That is true PatSeg Jun 2022 #34
Abusive spouse is a good description. Their tactics seem related to toxic masculinity Walleye Jun 2022 #37
Yes, sometimes as I watch and listen PatSeg Jun 2022 #45
They have perfected their propaganda... kentuck Jun 2022 #38
Yes, they are classic carnival barkers PatSeg Jun 2022 #47
It's so hard trying to care about people without lying to them.. *single tear rolls down cheek* NCLefty Jun 2022 #4
Perception is reality. kentuck Jun 2022 #5
"If you cannot beat this insane bunch of Republicans, you have a big problem with your brand." betsuni Jun 2022 #7
It means... kentuck Jun 2022 #8
Why blame Democrats? People don't vote for Republicans because Democrats are bad. betsuni Jun 2022 #11
I would not say "Democrats are bad"... kentuck Jun 2022 #13
Republicans have spent billion$ over the last four or five decades vilifying the word "liberal." sop Jun 2022 #21
"we let them buy it"... kentuck Jun 2022 #26
Corporate donors fund hundreds of GOP "think tanks" devoted exclusively to crafting pejorative sop Jun 2022 #39
Bad at messaging, flawed candidates (bad), not being able to get enough votes to pass their betsuni Jun 2022 #24
re: "tear down the statue of Thomas Jefferson"...is not going to win you a lot of elections thesquanderer Jun 2022 #20
You are right. kentuck Jun 2022 #22
This seems to be very true. Down here in Alabama, there are literally thousands of political signs Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #6
"Democrats and progressives." The Democratic Party is the progressive party. betsuni Jun 2022 #9
"generally a better product." Paladin Jun 2022 #10
I've heard pro-liberal arguments all the time. Starting with Lawrence O'Donnell. I never hear ancianita Jun 2022 #12
It's, again, the messaging failure Icanthinkformyself Jun 2022 #14
A little late to the party Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #15
It's gotten to the point where... kentuck Jun 2022 #16
"I'm the most conservative" gets you the xenophobic, frightened, aggrieved. "I'm the most liberal... thesquanderer Jun 2022 #17
And When Was The Last Time We Heard The Words WiVoter Jun 2022 #32
Saw the segment ... NanceGreggs Jun 2022 #18
I agree that dems should act more proud and out loud Alpeduez21 Jun 2022 #19
OTOH, I've found it's rarer to see a republican SAY he's a republican in his advertising. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2022 #25
can confirm. mopinko Jun 2022 #50
The media and the Republican Party have defined liberalism and Democrats to our detriment. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #35
We compartmentalized ourselves, which is a problem Sympthsical Jun 2022 #40
A couple of weeks ago Bill Maher had a pithy line: Democrats used to be Tomconroy Jun 2022 #46
I'm ambivalent about academia on account Sympthsical Jun 2022 #48
Agreed. Tomconroy Jun 2022 #49
The GOP is a fucking cult jcgoldie Jun 2022 #41
I've been publicly declaring... Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #43
I hear you, but... Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #44
Call Republican politicians liars. Tamp down and dismiss left-wing self-elected zealots. gulliver Jun 2022 #51
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