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Sympthsical

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48. I'm ambivalent about academia on account
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 10:38 AM
Jun 2022

Not in an anti-intellectual way (though I do think a lot of what goes on these days is a lot of circular pseudo-intellectual masturbation, particularly in the social sciences. "We disappear up our own assholes, but we do it intellectually!" )

The problem is that it's a largely a bubbled environment of epistemic closure, and only a very narrow band of ideas or thinking are entertained. To compound this, many of these ideas cannot be written on human skin or applied to a real, practical world where human nature must be taken into consideration on a macro scale.

So what works in an academic setting has nearly zero bearing on the real world or how average people act or think. It's all masturbatory. However, our media and cultural elite seize these ideologies or ideas and then try to push them on everyone else.

People really don't like that.

It's one of the forces at work in the CRT debate. I know many people on our side want to say, "Oh, they're just racists." There's some of that, but it's not that. It's the idea that some edict came from above and is being forced down onto them and their children. There is an impulsive, reactive, visceral, "No!" that will be spoken to it. CRT could be the best thing in the world, but that "No!" will result when it's imposed from above in this way. And no amount of, "Agree with this or you're racist," is going to magically undo that kind of reflexive resistance.

People aren't that complicated if you spend time actually listening to them instead of assuming what they're saying and all the bad motives implicit therein. But we don't listen too much. Feels like, more and more, all we do is assume motives and condemn. Which is fine.

But it doesn't make for winning allies.

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Bill Mahar on Friday [View all] Norbert Jun 2022 OP
Well, we are always acting terrified of being accused of being liberal. It's like there's something TreasonousBastard Jun 2022 #1
Have to say it was one of his best shows HAB911 Jun 2022 #2
I have to admit I was ready to dislike Shellenberger localroger Jun 2022 #23
When they were discussing homelessness Sympthsical Jun 2022 #31
Those ads were eye-opening, for sure. kentuck Jun 2022 #33
As a Bay Arean, I wasn't that shocked Sympthsical Jun 2022 #42
It's our Calvinist Puritan background. Conservative sounds moral liberal sounds like loose morality Walleye Jun 2022 #3
And today's self-described "conservatives" PatSeg Jun 2022 #27
Seems like they have hijacked the whole English language. Don't know what we can do Walleye Jun 2022 #28
I think there is room for better communication. kentuck Jun 2022 #29
If only we could. We need Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, something Walleye Jun 2022 #30
Yes, well said PatSeg Jun 2022 #36
That is true PatSeg Jun 2022 #34
Abusive spouse is a good description. Their tactics seem related to toxic masculinity Walleye Jun 2022 #37
Yes, sometimes as I watch and listen PatSeg Jun 2022 #45
They have perfected their propaganda... kentuck Jun 2022 #38
Yes, they are classic carnival barkers PatSeg Jun 2022 #47
It's so hard trying to care about people without lying to them.. *single tear rolls down cheek* NCLefty Jun 2022 #4
Perception is reality. kentuck Jun 2022 #5
"If you cannot beat this insane bunch of Republicans, you have a big problem with your brand." betsuni Jun 2022 #7
It means... kentuck Jun 2022 #8
Why blame Democrats? People don't vote for Republicans because Democrats are bad. betsuni Jun 2022 #11
I would not say "Democrats are bad"... kentuck Jun 2022 #13
Republicans have spent billion$ over the last four or five decades vilifying the word "liberal." sop Jun 2022 #21
"we let them buy it"... kentuck Jun 2022 #26
Corporate donors fund hundreds of GOP "think tanks" devoted exclusively to crafting pejorative sop Jun 2022 #39
Bad at messaging, flawed candidates (bad), not being able to get enough votes to pass their betsuni Jun 2022 #24
re: "tear down the statue of Thomas Jefferson"...is not going to win you a lot of elections thesquanderer Jun 2022 #20
You are right. kentuck Jun 2022 #22
This seems to be very true. Down here in Alabama, there are literally thousands of political signs Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #6
"Democrats and progressives." The Democratic Party is the progressive party. betsuni Jun 2022 #9
"generally a better product." Paladin Jun 2022 #10
I've heard pro-liberal arguments all the time. Starting with Lawrence O'Donnell. I never hear ancianita Jun 2022 #12
It's, again, the messaging failure Icanthinkformyself Jun 2022 #14
A little late to the party Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #15
It's gotten to the point where... kentuck Jun 2022 #16
"I'm the most conservative" gets you the xenophobic, frightened, aggrieved. "I'm the most liberal... thesquanderer Jun 2022 #17
And When Was The Last Time We Heard The Words WiVoter Jun 2022 #32
Saw the segment ... NanceGreggs Jun 2022 #18
I agree that dems should act more proud and out loud Alpeduez21 Jun 2022 #19
OTOH, I've found it's rarer to see a republican SAY he's a republican in his advertising. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2022 #25
can confirm. mopinko Jun 2022 #50
The media and the Republican Party have defined liberalism and Democrats to our detriment. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #35
We compartmentalized ourselves, which is a problem Sympthsical Jun 2022 #40
A couple of weeks ago Bill Maher had a pithy line: Democrats used to be Tomconroy Jun 2022 #46
I'm ambivalent about academia on account Sympthsical Jun 2022 #48
Agreed. Tomconroy Jun 2022 #49
The GOP is a fucking cult jcgoldie Jun 2022 #41
I've been publicly declaring... Trueblue Texan Jun 2022 #43
I hear you, but... Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #44
Call Republican politicians liars. Tamp down and dismiss left-wing self-elected zealots. gulliver Jun 2022 #51
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