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In reply to the discussion: I know Michael Moore is not universally popular here, [View all]progree
(13,105 posts)34. only with the help of the 12,000 more votes (according to Nader) that Nader drew from Gore
than from Bush.
Bush stole the election. Read.
Yes, but with the essential help of Nader pulling in 12,000 (according to Nader) more votes from Gore than from Bush. In a race that Bush officially won by 537 votes.
Once again --
Yes, yes, I know there were a number of reasons Bush officially beat Gore -- ALL of them were essential to Bush's victory -- IF EVEN ONE of these elements had been missing, Bush would have officially lost,
e.g. besides Naders candidacy, Kathleen Harris purging the voting lists of supposed felons, Gore running a poor campaign (in so so many ways), media dubbing Gore a serial liar (Love Story and all that), the butterfly ballots giving Gore's votes to Buchanan, the U.S. Supreme Court stopping the recount -- yada.
But it doesn't wipe out the fact that even with all that, Gore would have won if not for Nader drawing thousands more votes away from Gore than from Bush.
Yes, the factors you cite in #28 were larger than the 12,000 or 26,000 more votes that Nader drew from Gore than from Bush. Yes yes yes.
But again, it doesn't wipe out the fact that even with all that, Gore would have won if not for Nader drawing thousands more votes away from Gore than from Bush. In a race that Bush officially won by 537 votes.
From #28 --
Google Nader's Madison Square Garden 2000 speech. Every thing he said was prescient.
I'm sure it was, with Bush being president, thanks to Nader and Michael Moore. And the 2 Bush RW Supreme Court "justices" -- Roberts and Alito.
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I've always thought his documentaries were well done. "Fahrenheit 9-11"and "Sicko" are great. n/t
Evolve Dammit
Jun 2022
#5
I had no idea. Whatever any person (deleted) may say about him his heart is in the right place.
JanMichael
Jun 2022
#7
Agreed, he takes action on behalf of the voiceless. People who take action are criticized.
Magoo48
Jun 2022
#37
I've enjoyed his products but find his overwhelming personality to be difficult to deal with.
erronis
Jun 2022
#14
He hasn't become less puerile since. I would suspect he was less odious when he was 18. n/t.
NNadir
Jun 2022
#26
There were many things that tilted the balance. Still, had Nader not been in the race
progree
Jun 2022
#32
Nader's voters were a drop in the bucket of the ratfuckery in that election. at election
rubbersole
Jun 2022
#33
only with the help of the 12,000 more votes (according to Nader) that Nader drew from Gore
progree
Jun 2022
#34
I think Nader was great to get the conversation going on a progressive note.
TigressDem
Jun 2022
#39
"What our country could have been like if people like Ralph Nader had been selected to serve."
progree
Jun 2022
#35
With as many candidates as we have, maybe ranked choice voting would be good.
TigressDem
Jun 2022
#41
OK. CRIME (or should be): stealing an election in the many ways described above.
progree
Jun 2022
#73
I do think his one attempt at fiction--Canadian Bacon--is a grossly underrated gem.
Tommy Carcetti
Jun 2022
#38
"Canadian Bacon" was hilarious. Most of his documentaries are self-indulgent whinges
Tarc
Jun 2022
#40
"One of the reasons I made this movie is I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of
betsuni
Jun 2022
#45
I know Moore has been critical of moderate Dem candidates but doesn't he always endorse them
Quixote1818
Jun 2022
#47
Yes. He produced an anti Trump film for 2016 and toured with it to get the vote out for Hillary
LiberalLovinLug
Jun 2022
#50
Thanks. I don't have an issue with him. He obviously does more good than bad and
Quixote1818
Jun 2022
#51