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Mister Ed

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35. Greg Jacob doesn't pretend to know what was on the minds of the Secret Service agents.
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 01:09 AM
Jun 2022

He can't know, and doesn't try to say, what the agents were thinking or why they might have driven Pence away. He can only tell us that he thinks Pence wouldn't get in the car because he felt that fleeing would be bad optics.

So, why might the agents have driven away with Pence if he'd gotten in the car? Three possibilities that I can see:

First, and by far and away the most likely in my view, would simply be to protect Pence. His protection is their mission, and they take that mission very, very seriously indeed.

The second possibility would be that some agents in the detail were loyal Trumpists who wanted to see the election certification postponed or prevented. That's entirely possible. There are many such gung-ho Trumpists in our general population. There's no reason to think that none of them could be Secret Service agents. If there were agents with such motivations, they'd get two birds with one stone by protecting the VP while helping to derail the certification. It's impossible for me to know or say.

The third theoretical possibility would be that they wanted to kidnap Pence and bring him to harm. I think that's unlikely in the extreme. After all, if they wanted Pence harmed, they could have just waited a few more minutes before rushing him from the office to the underground garage. He came within a hair's breadth of being harmed by the mob as it was.

So, why was Pence unwilling to get in the car? It could be no more than what Greg Jacob tells us: that Pence was concerned about how it would look to the world if he fled. But is Jacob really privy to Pence's thoughts?

Speaking for myself, I know that if I and my wife and my daughter were in mortal danger, I would have other things on my mind than appearances. I would be concerned with our survival. I think Pence knew that he and his family would never be safe while millions of rabid Trumpists believed he had the power to overturn the election. He had to stay and get that certification completed.

I'm also willing to believe that in that moment of crisis, Pence may have felt the call of duty, and responded honorably. I know, I know, he'd spent four years as Trump's cowardly toady, but a crisis can sometimes bring out the noblest in people. Again, it's impossible for me to know or say.

Of this I am certain, though: Jacob's testimony does not prove that Pence had no reason to mistrust his SS detail apart from his concerns about appearances. Jacob offers that explanation, and I don't doubt that he believes it. But he does not and cannot know the thoughts of the agents, or of Pence himself.



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I'm not saying I subscribe to scenario 1, but BIden DID replace members of original detail to ensure hlthe2b Jun 2022 #1
One guy from secret service HQ took leave to work for Trumps re-election. Yoyoyo77 Jun 2022 #11
Are they not trained to blend in? BSdetect Jun 2022 #2
Are Secret service not trained to identify threats that blend in? brooklynite Jun 2022 #3
I think Pence and His secret service recognized Trump MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #16
I do, absent evidence to the contrary. brooklynite Jun 2022 #24
You have absence to the contrary, Pence's own words. MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #27
Pence said he didn't trust the driver, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #4
...and Jacob explained why. brooklynite Jun 2022 #6
That doesn't make it the reason, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #7
So Jacob committed perjury? brooklynite Jun 2022 #9
Have you at all been watching the hearings? dpibel Jun 2022 #17
I have indeed... brooklynite Jun 2022 #21
Are you okay with the Loudermilk tours? Nothing there? MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #19
Which has nothing to do with the secret service brooklynite Jun 2022 #20
🤣 MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #22
You claimed there weren't traitors everywhere, MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #25
"Everywhere" means "everywhere". brooklynite Jun 2022 #26
Did you take tap dancing in grade school? 😉 MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #29
No, I just like to avoid overarching claims. How about you? brooklynite Jun 2022 #31
No, but I wanted to. 😄 Unfortunately, I have bid farewell MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #36
Jacob did not say specifically that Pence had "told him that." Nor did he say that was the only hlthe2b Jun 2022 #37
Are those same agents now working in the White House? Mr.Bill Jun 2022 #5
Names, please dpibel Jun 2022 #8
Early in Biden's first year there was an article or two agingdem Jun 2022 #10
💯 MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #15
Thank you for your well thought out and logical words. MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #18
Which of those secret service are working in the White House? MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #12
It's a puzzle, innit? dpibel Jun 2022 #13
Thank you so much for copying my post just in case. 🥰 MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #14
Reality sucks, doesn't it? brooklynite Jun 2022 #23
I'm not a keyboard warrior. I'm just a plain ol' Democratic MerryBlooms Jun 2022 #34
Whether they're working in the White House or not... brooklynite Jun 2022 #28
IMO Pence didn't get in the car because he wasn't sure... brush Jun 2022 #30
A perfectly reasonable assessment... brooklynite Jun 2022 #33
Thank you my friend, and well said FakeNoose Jun 2022 #32
Greg Jacob doesn't pretend to know what was on the minds of the Secret Service agents. Mister Ed Jun 2022 #35
It could be both Cosmocat Jun 2022 #38
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