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BumRushDaShow

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88. The original tweet in the OP, which has generated much debate in this thread, is asserting -
Wed Jun 22, 2022, 10:18 AM
Jun 2022
Oil companies are keeping gas prices inflated to help Republicans get elected in exchange for maintaining ongoing tax breaks.


And what is being described in this thread conflates what are "gasoline" prices vs "oil prices", which is mixing two different price points. That is going to lead to skewed results because what the "consumer" deals with is what their local retailer is selling the gasoline for, not what the oil companies are charging.

The revenues, including that "$90 billion" that you are citing is the gross revenue for one quarter, NOT yearly. The quarters are going to vary through the year but their total revenue for the year of 2021 was $286 billion and that was double the revenue from 2020 when they were caught having to PAY people to store the excess oil.

ExxonMobil's profits and revenue soar on high oil prices

By Chris Isidore, CNN Business

Updated 9:26 AM ET, Tue February 1, 2022

(snip)

Prices for oil, natural gas and petrochemicals all soared in 2021, allowing ExxonMobil to report revenue of $285.6 billion, up from $181.5 billion in 2020. Revenue in the fourth quarter of $85 billion was up 83% from a year earlier and up 15% from the third quarter of 2021.

(snip)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/01/business/exxonmobil-earnings/index.html


So when you cherry-pick "$4.5 billion", keep in mind that in all of 2021 (their "recovery" year), they had $23 billion in yearly "net revenue", which averages what? Almost $6 billion per quarter. And they even indicated this for 2021 -

Generates $48 billion of cash flow from operating activities, the highest level since 2012, more than covering capital investments, debt reduction, and dividend


Right now, it's guaranteed (and this has happened way back in the past) if one gas station owner (franchise or indie) decides to sell their gas at 99 cents/gal, and they experience long lines of people buying it for that price, it will have no impact whatsoever on the oil company profits or losses because the oil contracts were determined on the futures markets some time ago.

And that goes back to the "tax holiday", which is causing all sorts of heartburn for some reason and the Biden Administration posted a Fact Sheet this morning about it - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/06/22/fact-sheet-president-biden-calls-for-a-three-month-federal-gas-tax-holiday/

FACT SHEET: President Biden Calls for a Three-Month Federal Gas Tax Holiday

June 22, 2022 • Statements and Releases

The price of gas is up dramatically around the world, and by almost $2 per gallon in America, since Putin began amassing troops on the border of Ukraine. President Biden understands that high gas prices pose a significant challenge for working families. That’s why he has taken action in recent months to boost the supply of oil and gas, including an historic release from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and encouraging oil companies and refiners to boost capacity and output to get more supply on the market.

Today, he is calling on Congress and states to take additional legislative action to provide direct relief to American consumers who have been hit with Putin’s Price Hike. Specifically, he is calling on Congress to suspend the federal gas tax for three months, through September, without taking any money away from the Highway Trust Fund. And he is calling on states to take similar action to provide some direct relief, whether suspending their own gas taxes or helping consumers in other ways.

Federal Gas Tax Holiday

Right now, the federal government charges an 18 cent tax per gallon of gasoline and a 24 cent tax per gallon of diesel. Those taxes fund critical highways and public transportation, through the Highway Trust Fund. But in this unique moment, with gas prices near $5 a gallon on average across the country, President Biden is calling on Congress to suspend the gas tax for three months – until the end of September – to give Americans a little extra breathing room as they deal with the effects of Putin’s war in Ukraine.

The President is also calling on Congress to make sure that a gas tax holiday has no negative effect on the Highway Trust Fund. With our deficit already down by a historic $1.6 trillion this year, the President believes that we can afford to suspend the gas tax to help consumers while using other revenues to make the Highway Trust Fund whole for the roughly $10 billion cost. This is consistent with legislation proposed in the Senate and the House to advance a responsible gas tax holiday.

President Biden understands that a gas tax holiday alone will not, on its own, relieve the run up in costs that we’ve seen. But the President believes that at this unique moment when the war in Ukraine is imposing costs on American families, Congress should do what it can to provide working families breathing room.

State and Local Action

In addition to federal gas tax relief, the President is calling on state and local governments to provide additional consumer relief. Already, some states and local governments have acted: for example, in Connecticut and New York, governors temporarily suspended their gas taxes, and in Illinois and Colorado, governors delayed planned tax and fee increases. And, around the country, in states like Michigan and Minnesota, states and local leaders are considering a number of forms of consumer relief – from temporary suspensions and pauses on state sales tax on gas to consumer rebates and relief payments. The President believes more states and local governments should do so.

Ongoing Actions to Blunt the Impact of the Putin Price Hike

Today’s announcements follow a series of actions the President has taken to lower gas prices for American families.

  • The President announced the release of a record 1 million barrels per day from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which just last week a leading oil market analyst confirmed has been critical to keeping prices from rising even more.

  • He rallied international partners to join us, releasing a combined 240 million barrels of oil on the market.

  • He expanded access to biofuels like E15—gasoline that uses a 15 percent ethanol blend—to increase supply and lower prices at thousands of gas stations across the country.

  • He and his Administration are engaging with oil and refining companies to ask them to work with the Administration to bring forward concrete solutions that increase refinery capacity and output. Secretary Granholm is meeting with these CEOs this week.



  • Already, the United States produced more oil under the first year of this Administration than it did under the first two years of the prior Administration, and is on track to set new records next year. At the same time, the President understands that our efforts to increase energy production in the near-term must be coupled with medium- and long-term efforts to transition our economy away from fossil fuels produced by autocrats and to clean energy.

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    The above attempt is to cajole the retailer, who has to pay those excise taxes to the states/federal government (and that is what is passed onto the consumer) to drop the "price at the pump", with the assumption that they will still need some "profit" themselves to operate but that shouldn't have to be from pocketing the taxes that they wouldn't have to pay, at least for that short amount of time.

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    This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #1
    Jamaica 1979/80 malaise Jun 2022 #2
    Of course there is historical precedent for this. StrictlyRockers Jun 2022 #24
    Yes! When are we going to make campaign finance a REAL ISSUE? Dustlawyer Jun 2022 #26
    it was in the voting rights bill... that fucking was blocked in the senate by the usual suspects LymphocyteLover Jun 2022 #37
    +1,000 malaise Jun 2022 #55
    OMG. LymphocyteLover Jun 2022 #35
    +1, uponit7771 Jun 2022 #40
    Yep. Obviously. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 2022 #3
    K&R ck4829 Jun 2022 #4
    It's pretty obvious what's going on. Emile Jun 2022 #5
    The price of oil is set in global markets iemanja Jun 2022 #6
    ... obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2022 #8
    Last quarter SEC filings showed Exxon with 6.23% profit margin. Apple had a 25.71% profit margin. kelly1mm Jun 2022 #9
    Very Good Point ProfessorGAC Jun 2022 #18
    25.71% of zero is still zero Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #33
    Thank God someone finally stood up for the oil companies. BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #34
    +1 Hiawatha Pete Jun 2022 #89
    Don't need an apple product, come on this should go without saying no? tia uponit7771 Jun 2022 #43
    This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jun 2022 #47
    Refinery capacity is down worldwide IronLionZion Jun 2022 #15
    Here's an interesting thing though BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #22
    Yes and state taxes went up in most states bringing the average higher jimfields33 Jun 2022 #30
    I heard on the radio earlier this morning BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #38
    This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jun 2022 #50
    You continue to cite stuff without any links BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #79
    This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jun 2022 #82
    Yes I read it but included the details in my links BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #84
    This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jun 2022 #86
    The original tweet in the OP, which has generated much debate in this thread, is asserting - BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #88
    This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jun 2022 #94
    Here is where the problem is BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #96
    This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jun 2022 #97
    Nice non-sequitur BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #98
    This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jun 2022 #99
    Please don't bring facts into this. jimfields33 Jun 2022 #28
    You mean like the OP being about gas prices not oil prices?! tia uponit7771 Jun 2022 #42
    live love laugh Jun 2022 #81
    The OP was about gas prices not oil prices uponit7771 Jun 2022 #41
    gas is made from oil. iemanja Jun 2022 #62
    Agreed and oil can be set at one price while gas is set at another, gas is set historically higher uponit7771 Jun 2022 #66
    Oil futures are part of the equation also. Russia and the Saudi's are #'s 2&3 in oil production. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2022 #54
    It's not just the price of oil though. Resistance1 Jun 2022 #57
    This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jun 2022 #61
    Because the shares will be worth even more! Resistance1 Jun 2022 #91
    This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Jun 2022 #93
    You're right scipan Jun 2022 #71
    Time to nationalize the oil. Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #7
    We should have done that back in 1859, when the first oil well started pumping crude out of the sop Jun 2022 #14
    Better late than never. Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #16
    Yes... WAY overdue!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2022 #29
    Time to replace oil. Midnight Writer Jun 2022 #36
    I plan to buy an EV and not buy another drop of gas. I'm also Meadowoak Jun 2022 #45
    Sweeeet!! Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #48
    You will love your EV. I've had a Volt for eight years and it's as much fun to drive OMGWTF Jun 2022 #59
    This right here... If you live in that sweet commute length JCMach1 Jun 2022 #92
    That sounds like an excellent plan. Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #105
    What would happen to individuals IRAs and 401Ks if we nationalized oil. Dysfunctional Jun 2022 #104
    Not just about profits! Big Oil aims to make Dems look bad. n/t TeamProg Jun 2022 #10
    Been saying this for a while now... Wounded Bear Jun 2022 #11
    Actually inthewind21 Jun 2022 #21
    Exception, 19 SA citizens haven't ran into any skyscrapers under Biden no? tia uponit7771 Jun 2022 #44
    Doubtful Deminpenn Jun 2022 #12
    Yeah it's a lot more of that EX500rider Jun 2022 #58
    and they're using 1500 radio stations to blame everything on biden, as usual, and certainot Jun 2022 #13
    It is becoming crystal clear DENVERPOPS Jun 2022 #19
    democracy was designed to regulate corporations, the problem is we let certainot Jun 2022 #68
    Don't forget the USSC DENVERPOPS Jun 2022 #75
    yeah, citizens united was a prototypical rw radio operation certainot Jun 2022 #77
    Have you noticed DENVERPOPS Jun 2022 #100
    yes and after it's been repeated millions of times on 1500 radio stations......... certainot Jun 2022 #106
    During the run up DENVERPOPS Jun 2022 #107
    i really think it would help to investigate its use by putin, going back at least to 2008 when certainot Jun 2022 #109
    Oil company largest assets are the $trillions still in the ground. mn9driver Jun 2022 #17
    Of course they're on board with the fascist agenda. Fuck the planet. onecaliberal Jun 2022 #20
    That's Rebl2 Jun 2022 #23
    Yes, Snackshack Jun 2022 #25
    Without a doubt!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2022 #27
    commonly called "a racket", and why "capitalism" is so easily co-opted bringthePaine Jun 2022 #31
    Dems need to call this shit out. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #32
    "Does the word "duh" mean anything to you?" momta Jun 2022 #39
    In Other News, Lil Liberal Laura Jun 2022 #46
    Check out Rachel Maddow's book "Blowout" (oil and gas industry) Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #49
    Everyone's entitled to an opinion... brooklynite Jun 2022 #51
    I've thought the same thing for the past 4 months. ArnoldLayne Jun 2022 #52
    It would be nice to hear this so succinctly stated... dchill Jun 2022 #53
    and they're counting on the American people being too stupid to know that. New Breed Leader Jun 2022 #56
    Tradition! Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #60
    Thanks for link burrowowl Jun 2022 #90
    It's gross and cynical AF, but it's working budkin Jun 2022 #63
    Soulless Monsters.. don't care about Cha Jun 2022 #64
    A resounding, "duh". jaxexpat Jun 2022 #65
    K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Jun 2022 #67
    A somewhat silly meme that refuses to die EX500rider Jun 2022 #69
    In NY they dropped state and some counties taxes LetsGetSmartAboutIt Jun 2022 #70
    I've been saying this for MONTHS. Funny the price at Quik Trip where I live hasn't dropped a cent... Bengus81 Jun 2022 #72
    My next car will be a plug-in hybrid... AntiFascist Jun 2022 #73
    It seems like shanti Jun 2022 #108
    Aw hell no, can't be!! Baked Potato Jun 2022 #74
    Of course they are. But, too many people are too clueless to even suspect that. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2022 #76
    I would not be surprised. nt cstanleytech Jun 2022 #78
    ABSOLUTELY ‼️💯 live love laugh Jun 2022 #80
    I had that thought last night. zanana1 Jun 2022 #83
    Won't Work, because Trump is the world's worst enemy now. Republicans don't have a chance in Nov. Stuart G Jun 2022 #85
    How much Cherokee100 Jun 2022 #87
    The real elephant in our room is that this applies to most goods and services.... KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2022 #95
    It's not just gasoline and diesel DENVERPOPS Jun 2022 #101
    Of course they are. roamer65 Jun 2022 #102
    Say it loudly and often. But many Trumpers won/t care. Samrob Jun 2022 #103
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