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127. It's not so horrible if your income is in in another country

Sun Jun 26, 2022, 08:38 AM

Jun 2022

It gets REALLY messy when you live in another country, but continue to draw all your income in the USA. Then there is a serious risk of the USA AND the country of residence both wanting to tax you, and the double-taxation treaty be damned. That has been my situation for the past 12 years, and the situation STILL hasn't been resolved.

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Starting the process for citizenship in another country [View all] cherish44 Jun 2022 OP

Congratulations ! OnDoutside Jun 2022 #1

Unfortunately unless you renounce your US citizenship you will have to do US tax returns BSdetect Jun 2022 #2

No plans to renounce US citizenship at this time cherish44 Jun 2022 #4

So? If you make under $90,000 USD róisín_dubh Jun 2022 #14

If you make under $90k where? In the USA? In Ireland? Sorry, bit unsure what you meant. BSdetect Jun 2022 #22

Up to about 90K foreign income is exempt for US tax purposes JCMach1 Jun 2022 #70

Exactly this. I worded it badly nt róisín_dubh Jun 2022 #100

For 2022 earned income it's $112K, not 90K Celerity Jun 2022 #105

It must have gone up... 2012 was my last expat tax form JCMach1 Jun 2022 #107

it goes up every year Celerity Jun 2022 #118

That only helps for foreign income DFW Jun 2022 #121

auslndische Einknfte Celerity Jun 2022 #138

That is in an ideal situation, and in print only. Reality, sadly, does not follow those guidelines DFW Jun 2022 #141

Irish citizenship requires only 1 grandparent TxGuitar Jun 2022 #92

If you make $90K in whatever foreign country. róisín_dubh Jun 2022 #99

It is $112K for 2022 foreign income, not 90K Celerity Jun 2022 #104

it was my understanding that if i get my irish passport, my kids can apply. mopinko Jun 2022 #25

I have dual citizenship. My grandmother was born in Ireland. Native Jun 2022 #38

Irish passports are highly desirable. I'm not sure when your relative was born but there was a fire gldstwmn Jun 2022 #59

I'm considering a third generation... róisín_dubh Jun 2022 #101

well, best of luck. let me know how it goes. mopinko Jun 2022 #116

That $90K figure is old for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. For 2022 income it's $112K Celerity Jun 2022 #103

Before you make any jump. Old Crank Jun 2022 #69

It's not so horrible if your income is in in another country DFW Jun 2022 #127

Wish I could do the same. shrike3 Jun 2022 #3

Looking into Canada but I'm guaranteed Luxembourgian citizenship through my bloodline :) cherish44 Jun 2022 #6

You are fortunate. All the best. shrike3 Jun 2022 #7

Ireland is the same. Just prove a bloodline no matter how far back and you're good to go PortTack Jun 2022 #29

Can't go back any further than grandparents. Native Jun 2022 #39

Actually I have it from an Irish citizen that you can. PortTack Jun 2022 #56

I'm an Irish citizen. I went thru the process 8 years ago. Native Jun 2022 #88

They gave you incorrect information, it is grandparents only, with 2 VERY narrow exceptions for Celerity Jun 2022 #128

only to grandparents treestar Jun 2022 #77

My kids gave me so much crap about that. Native Jun 2022 #90

I didn't give her too much crap treestar Jun 2022 #135

Not true TxGuitar Jun 2022 #93

Congrats - your lucky walkingman Jun 2022 #5

If you don't feel freedom and democracy are worth staying and fighting for, GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #8

A white flag with a big W on it cherish44 Jun 2022 #9

Nope. Just a plain white one. GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #10

I agree with you. More and more Democrats and many DUers are planning to leave. panader0 Jun 2022 #12

Yep, we're better off without the ones who want to run away. GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #20

The ones who leave can hardly be considered "patriots". panader0 Jun 2022 #34

Oh no! BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #46

There aren't "so many," though. At our age, we know a fair number Hortensis Jun 2022 #42

+1 treestar Jun 2022 #76

There are valid reasons. The environment here is going to get really hateful if other privacy laws PortTack Jun 2022 #30

If you are planning to go live in another country, I would advise to carefully check the laws panader0 Jun 2022 #33

And that's fine. Others who choose to leave should be left to do so and not bashed for doing so. PortTack Jun 2022 #58

+1 treestar Jun 2022 #78

Would you have looked on the Germans who emigrated in 1930 as weaklings? LudwigPastorius Jun 2022 #44

And many like me don't have that option treestar Jun 2022 #75

I'm too old for this cherish44 Jun 2022 #95

This Country Isn't Going To Fight For Me Or My Beliefs SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #16

Don't let the door hit you... GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #18

I Respect The Germans Who Left Germany In The Mid-1930's SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #21

And, yet you are prepared to walk away from the "Shithole" yourself, GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #24

I'm Not Alone SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #27

+1 BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #50

There's nothing effective that you are doing to "fight for" America meadowlander Jun 2022 #109

that was a lot worse treestar Jun 2022 #79

I imagine Lee Greenwood blaring as this was typed. BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #47

then the irony is doing it treestar Jun 2022 #83

+100 Celerity Jun 2022 #137

As an added bonus, you'll get healthcare as a basic right, area51 Jun 2022 #37

It won't happen, nor will actual gun laws that matter BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #48

The Country is NOT going to fight for you. YOU fight for Democracy, Freedom, and the Constitution. Tommymac Jun 2022 #52

Time for a little [redacted]? ck4829 Jun 2022 #123

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Native Jun 2022 #40

You go down with the ship 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2022 #61

Buh bye. GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #65

It's not for you to decide. You don't know what people's situations are. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #66

Y'all are free to leave. GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #67

It's a big world with a lot of nice places to live Mysterian Jun 2022 #115

state an opinion, get one back treestar Jun 2022 #84

"Don't let the door hit you" is not elevating the discussion in any way. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #98

Alright, fight for them. No more "*Sigh* we don't have the votes" ck4829 Jun 2022 #122

It's my white flag and I'm putting a W on it. My flag my choice. cherish44 Jun 2022 #11

I can afford to go. I refuse to. Simple. dameatball Jun 2022 #13

Us too. Our DIL's a Danish citizen and could still take us all there, Hortensis Jun 2022 #43

Exactly. My adult children and grandchildren have (and are) growing up in this world/nation we dameatball Jun 2022 #73

"I can't think of a worse time in history...to give up and leave." Hortensis Jun 2022 #74

also it would get worse treestar Jun 2022 #82

:) Yes, it sure would be. MAGAs would no doubt love the idea of liberals fleeing, Hortensis Jun 2022 #131

We didn't move to Costa Rica because of politics LakeArenal Jun 2022 #15

I Keep Hearing About Costa Rica, So Will Have To Include That On My List Of Options SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #17

Ironically, it's a Catholic country. State Religion even. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #19

So, Only In Cases When It Poses A Danger? SoCalDavidS Jun 2022 #23

You aren't seeing it as a Catholic Country. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #26

Good on you LakeArenal 😉😉😉😉 PortTack Jun 2022 #31

Gracias. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #36

I may PM you for information at some point if it's OK with you. Crunchy Frog Jun 2022 #91

Please do. More than one has already. LakeArenal Jun 2022 #133

ive considered costa rica moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #106

Panama has some advantages over CR LakeArenal Jun 2022 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author chowder66 Jun 2022 #28

My wife is looking at houses in Spain MurrayDelph Jun 2022 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jun 2022 #35

ancestors not descendants eShirl Jun 2022 #41

ooops yes it's ancestor...more of a typo than not knowing the correct term.... cherish44 Jun 2022 #55

You picked the right ancestors Retrograde Jun 2022 #45

You're a Californian, right? shanti Jun 2022 #86

Really? My great grandfather was born there nini Jun 2022 #49

You would definitely qualify cherish44 Jun 2022 #60

you have no idea how happy I am to learn this nini Jun 2022 #62

Luxembourg is a small country so we probably really are cousins! :) cherish44 Jun 2022 #68

Definitely :D nini Jun 2022 #71

Unless you're offering the rest of us a lifeline ecstatic Jun 2022 #51

If there is any way for me to be able to sponsor anyone wanting to come over cherish44 Jun 2022 #57

I immigrated to Canada in 2012. Best decision I ever made, for so many reasons. Jedi Guy Jun 2022 #53

I can do the same with Ireland but then I ask myself what the hell would I do there? gldstwmn Jun 2022 #54

My sister and cousin both got their dual citizenships during Trump's presidency cherish44 Jun 2022 #64

If they leave the country, expats should just drop their opinions of the US at the border. FreepFryer Jun 2022 #63

Nope. I'll still have US citizenship and will chirp all I want cherish44 Jun 2022 #94

Good luck but you will find right wing reactionaries in any country to which you flee. Smh. (Nt) FreepFryer Jun 2022 #97

So you want fewer people voting for Democrats... meadowlander Jun 2022 #110

That makes zero sense. (Nt) FreepFryer Jun 2022 #112

This may shock you Mariana Jun 2022 #113

I'm well aware! Does nothing to fix the patent illogic of their prior statement - Thanks tho! n FreepFryer Jun 2022 #124

The "love it or leave it" crowd was never very good at nuances. DFW Jun 2022 #126

Guess we disagree on the "nuff said" moment. It's when they walk away from their countrymen. (Nt) FreepFryer Jun 2022 #130

And to repeat DFW Jun 2022 #132

Awesome. Did you leave for the same reasons the Op did? Because that's the kind of expat FreepFryer Jun 2022 #136

I left for work and for my wife DFW Jun 2022 #139

You keep making all kinds of statements in response to things I didn't say or ask FreepFryer Jun 2022 #140

I am already considered sort of an unofficial ambassador anyway DFW Jun 2022 #143

During the plague Old Crank Jun 2022 #72

German permanent residence is a crap shoot DFW Jun 2022 #119

I hear you Old Crank Jun 2022 #142

why, if you are in a blue treestar Jun 2022 #80

Why bother to post this? I really don't get it...doom and gloom. Europe has one of the Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #81

Sticking around in the Pacific Bloc here, the Blue Wall, California Central Coast area... Hekate Jun 2022 #85

Yup shanti Jun 2022 #87

We would move to CA TxGuitar Jun 2022 #96

I would if I could budkin Jun 2022 #89

Come to Australia! Violet_Crumble Jun 2022 #102

I can just take my wife and son's Kenyan citizenship... If they kill voting rights and JCMach1 Jun 2022 #108

Well if you dislike it here so much you should leave Raine Jun 2022 #111

According to a guy I talked to recently, Luxembourg is crazy expensive to live in. However... GoneOffShore Jun 2022 #114

In the abstract, dual citizenship with an EU country would be cool Shrek Jun 2022 #117

Travel within Europe is already hassle-free DFW Jun 2022 #120

I'm too old but I think you're wise. mountain grammy Jun 2022 #125

EU citizenship doesn't necessarily mean you have to give up your US citizenship DFW Jun 2022 #129