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HeartLikeAWheel

(21 posts)
54. Very, Very Close, but no cigar
Mon Jun 27, 2022, 04:25 PM
Jun 2022

Yes, the draft. Basically I agree with you. But the analogy does not completely hold up. There have always been exemptions to the draft. There was 4-F, there was Conscientious Objector status, having a rich daddy who pulled strings to get you into the National Guard or a medical exemption for bone spurs, and so forth. Even if inducted against one's will, service by itself did not inevitably include the risk of death. Serving as a draftee clerk-typist in Iowa may have been involuntary servitude, but it was not life-threatening. I've known a few who survived that. And you had to be 18. (Yes, the draft was on when I was in high school. I learned a lot then.) On the other hand, I've known two healthy young women who in this century died suddenly of pregnancy-related issues (stroke, clot). The world we're entering now in many states allows no exemption for anything: not age (11 years old!), not sexual assault, not health, not anything. And ask activists in Ireland (until recently) and Poland whether the "life of the mother" exemption always works.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/death-pregnant-woman-ignites-debate-about-abortion-ban-poland-2021-11-05/

And before you object with the argument that rich women will always get abortions, I want to note that in today's news a prominent Texas Republican state representative is calling for including women seeking abortions in our current, draconian antiabortion law (the one authorizing bounty hunters).

But it's useful as a thought experiment for men: what if you had to serve against your will in combat arms with no way out when you were an asthmatic 15 years old?

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How true! Excellent post, thank you! secondwind Jun 2022 #1
And they don't care Freddie Jun 2022 #2
+1 n/t area51 Jun 2022 #9
That is fucking it, man. Novara Jun 2022 #3
Rev up the lawsuits for slavery, kidnapping, unlawful detention, abuse bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #4
How else are they going to... 2naSalit Jun 2022 #5
Yup Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #6
Alito needs to retire... Hugin Jun 2022 #11
Fat chance lefthandedskyhook Jun 2022 #27
And, I still want to know why Kennedy retired so suddenly nt Unwind Your Mind Jun 2022 #31
+1 Hugin Jun 2022 #33
A deal was struck. Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #34
You bet it was. SergeStorms Jun 2022 #53
*sigh* I have a dream... Hugin Jun 2022 #32
It's not even a Christian argument. multigraincracker Jun 2022 #12
There you go. Chapter and verse? Should be a major point. Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #36
It has been. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2022 #37
Can you direct me to the actual text in the bible? Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #39
I do not know the passage they are referring to. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2022 #41
And translated by drunken monks who I'm sure never made any mistakes or added/deleted? Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #50
A great game of telephone spanning some 3,000 years. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2022 #52
And what is the end game for Amy Barrett? Brenda Jun 2022 #13
Outlaw masturbation. Sperm are a life form. The Jungle 1 Jun 2022 #7
Orthodox Jews outlaw masturbation as it wastes "seed." Lucky Luciano Jun 2022 #26
why don't they freeze it then? SouthernDem4ever Jun 2022 #42
They're going to need a bigger freezer! Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #47
LOL, I guess they can take it up with their rabbis! Lucky Luciano Jun 2022 #48
What gets me about these retrograde decisions is the majority of the people making them... Hugin Jun 2022 #8
Except to appease someone else's Christian beliefs. Kablooie Jun 2022 #10
Trumpers love this argument so they can push back on vaccinations. Lucky Luciano Jun 2022 #14
I was thinking the same thing... OneGrassRoot Jun 2022 #16
K&R DLevine Jun 2022 #15
Proabortion here, but this is deeply flawed and could also be used by monsters Hortensis Jun 2022 #17
I was curious how the right could flip this argument to the anti vaccine crowd justification. mitch96 Jun 2022 #21
A "moral" person? Whose morals? Lars39 Jun 2022 #23
Exactly. Brenda Jun 2022 #28
Yeah, we've both seen how well that works! Lars39 Jun 2022 #29
In other words, always zero accountability. "Saved" "born again" " forgiven" "absolved" of anything! Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #38
In a word, or three.. Brenda Jun 2022 #40
Good questions. I got mine and screw you. Repukes and Libertarians. Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #49
That was my dad's favorite "motto." calimary Jun 2022 #55
Was he a life long gooper? Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #56
Pretty much. calimary Jun 2022 #57
I can only imagine. I wonder what remaining WWII vets think of this moment? Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #58
It sure makes a case for the non-believers SouthernDem4ever Jun 2022 #43
K and R Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #18
Yep. panader0 Jun 2022 #19
It's always been an issue of control nowforever Jun 2022 #20
Dead people have more control over their bodies than a pregnant woman does. You can't just go take Maraya1969 Jun 2022 #22
Excellent response wendyb-NC Jun 2022 #24
Republicans are so sick and twisted they're punishing women and girls for being raped dlk Jun 2022 #25
and Clarence Thomas is using his position to exact revenge SouthernDem4ever Jun 2022 #44
Yes; he is a deeply bitter old man dlk Jun 2022 #45
Agreed. SouthernDem4ever Jun 2022 #46
There is one precedent for this involuntary servitude Colbert Jun 2022 #30
Very, Very Close, but no cigar HeartLikeAWheel Jun 2022 #54
if Republicans Had their way YoshidaYui Jun 2022 #35
This may be the strongest argument I've seen. KnR. nt intrepidity Jun 2022 #51
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