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13. Black face and drag are equivalent? How come? (nt)

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Similarities between exaggerated drag queen shows and "blackface"? [View all] Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 OP

Well someone woke up on the AkFemDem Jul 2022 #1

... greenjar_01 Jul 2022 #2

No. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2022 #3

This is super important FrankBooth Jul 2022 #4

Lol no. Mary Cheney made this shitty comparison a few years back. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2022 #5

Mrs. Solomon made this assertion 20+ years ago: maxsolomon Jul 2022 #6

There are straight drag queens madville Jul 2022 #23

doesn't really change the question, though. maxsolomon Jul 2022 #24

Oh, FFS. demmiblue Jul 2022 #7

You mean the Black Race? pwb Jul 2022 #8

Seems Rather Silly, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2022 #9

thank you sir, for the insight. librechik Jul 2022 #34

So... RobinA Jul 2022 #56

I Am Not Going To Bother With This, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2022 #65

Coulda just used two letters. Nevilledog Jul 2022 #94

Sometimes I Just Gotta Unwind, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2022 #95

I hope the favorable medical news holds steady, my friend. Nevilledog Jul 2022 #96

It is my fervent hope Sir, that all news in re your personal welfare is of a most auspicious nature. Celerity Jul 2022 #123

Partial blackface. milestogo Jul 2022 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author irisblue Jul 2022 #11

The difference is that your skin color is genetically determined. pnwmom Jul 2022 #12

Rachel Dolezal was ostracized for attempting to pass as black. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #14

But she didn't do blackface, so I don't know how what she did is analogous to drag. pnwmom Jul 2022 #16

I am not saying Rachel Dolezal issue was analogous to drag. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #22

But there is nothing essential about fancy clothing and makeup to a woman's identity. pnwmom Jul 2022 #30

I thought drag queens were exaggerating the female gender. But I could be wrong. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #31

How did you miss post #9? (nt) Duncan Grant Jul 2022 #37

How did you miss post #5? Blackface is a lie. Drag is exploring gender. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #68

Unless you're born trans. meadowlander Jul 2022 #97

Not sure what you're saying. pnwmom Jul 2022 #100

Gender dysphoria likely does have a genetic component. meadowlander Jul 2022 #107

I'm saying the same thing you are. pnwmom Jul 2022 #108

I think it's problematic because they can be read as mocking trans people. meadowlander Jul 2022 #110

Okay, I get what you're saying. pnwmom Jul 2022 #114

Black face and drag are equivalent? How come? (nt) Duncan Grant Jul 2022 #13

NO! There is no similarities at least to this female. I love and admire Drag Queens PA_jen Jul 2022 #15

I love them too MustLoveBeagles Jul 2022 #116

Matters not gender of person dragging, but skin color does matter to blackface Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #17

+1 nt Raine1967 Jul 2022 #25

No. r�is�n_dubh Jul 2022 #18

I think only if it is combined with keeping women out of our public space delisen Jul 2022 #19

What do we say to the God of death sarisataka Jul 2022 #20

Well you managed to jcgoldie Jul 2022 #21

Wow...just...Wow. Spazito Jul 2022 #26

Progressive lawyers know the difference. Raine1967 Jul 2022 #27

Was the 80's movie "Soul Man" based in racism? Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #29

I didn't watch the movie as it was offensive then and now. That said, your OP Raine1967 Jul 2022 #35

You said "black face" was based on racism. I cited an 80's black face movie that challenges... Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #36

I also said good day. nt Raine1967 Jul 2022 #40

I agree, it is a good day. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #43

No you are wrong. It does not challenge the assertion Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #44

Plz read up on minstrel shows. Oneironaut Jul 2022 #46

Pricilla, Queen of the Desert tenderfoot Jul 2022 #105

I need to watch that film! Raine1967 Jul 2022 #111

Does NOT apply. Entertainment drag queens are not trying to fraudulently scam scholarships Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #42

That's why I cited Soul Man...it is black face yet arguably not racist. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #45

You miss the point. It is NOT analogous to drag queens reading at libraries. NOT in any way Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #50

I'm not talking about drag queens reading in libraries. I am talking about drag queen shows. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #54

Oh, NOW you explain that. It is still NOT analogous. You miss the basic point of the role Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #57

I never said drag queen shows are fraud. I suggested that black face is used for entertainment... Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #66

In THIS day and age, blackface is NOT used for entertainment Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #71

Wrong, here are several examples of Black Face in entertainment in the past 20 years. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #73

Post links people can actually read. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #76

Sorry, I realize I pay for the NY Times. But here is a free list: Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #78

I'm not going to analyze them all, but the first one (30 Rock) bombs your hypothesis to hell Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #83

They're probably like porn, in that "you'll know one when you see it" jmowreader Jul 2022 #33

Agreed. That said... Raine1967 Jul 2022 #39

Much like lions... tenderfoot Jul 2022 #104

... Raine1967 Jul 2022 #112

Not a fish obamanut2012 Jul 2022 #28

Ha. I alway liked the expression ... Whiskeytide Jul 2022 #32

Any fish bite if you got good bait. MineralMan Jul 2022 #41

lol they do for me whenever I surf fish! obamanut2012 Jul 2022 #49

Next up on the docket: "Are transgenders shape-shifting reptiles?" Oneironaut Jul 2022 #48

Oh, I am waiting for something like that obamanut2012 Jul 2022 #51

Most of my neighbors are radical Republiqans. Do you have travel plans? Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #55

Ewww! Their brains are already rotten. Oneironaut Jul 2022 #89

Yep, MAGAts are an indicator of rot and decay. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #90

Please do not use transgender as a noun. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #87

Pffft! I know all about them transgenders! Oneironaut Jul 2022 #88

You're welcome. Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #91

It's impossible to tell satire anymore. Oneironaut Jul 2022 #92

Unfortunately you are correct. Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #99

Yeah, No. MineralMan Jul 2022 #38

Liberation vs oppression Sympthsical Jul 2022 #47

I'd disagree b/c the 80's movie Soul Man is black face, but it isn't meant to mock. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #52

Your assertion of analogy has been decisively nixed upthread. Drag shows are not FRAUDS Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #61

Except I never said drag queen shows have elements of fraud.... Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #70

Get with the program. In THIS day and age, blackface is NOT used for entertainment Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #72

Wrong. Here are sever examples of Black Face in entertainment from the past 20 years. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #75

Post links that people can actually read. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #77

Here you go: Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #80

I'm not going to analyze them all, but the first one (30 Rock) bombs your hypothesis to hell Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #81

You said black face is not used in entertainment anymore. These cites prove you wrong. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #82

Your first cite contradicts that hypothesis. USED FOR is not USED AS Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #85

That fact that most of these entertainment shows have been pulled or edited... Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #86

At some point, the historical context is enough to dissuade use Sympthsical Jul 2022 #63

This MustLoveBeagles Jul 2022 #118

hard no FreeState Jul 2022 #53

It's Devisive RobinA Jul 2022 #59

No it doesn't FreeState Jul 2022 #60

Don't you mean "divisive"? Who devised a new word? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #64

Oh that was pretty damn good. Nicely done. n/t Whiskeytide Jul 2022 #79

This may help you to understand. I came across it the day I signed up here. Torchlight Jul 2022 #67

Ha.... Corgigal Jul 2022 #58

They Should Both RobinA Jul 2022 #62

Black face and drag are equivalent? How come? (nt) Duncan Grant Jul 2022 #74

I'm not gettig it either MustLoveBeagles Jul 2022 #117

68 replies, 0 recs. Im glad the community knows hateful anti-LGBT bullshit propaganda on sight... FreepFryer Jul 2022 #69

did you alert on it? maxsolomon Jul 2022 #106

I did FreeState Jul 2022 #120

This take sounds like something my rw aunt would post Politicub Jul 2022 #84

How do drag kings fit into your paradigm then? cagefreesoylentgreen Jul 2022 #93

I'm sure I'll get roasted for this but as a trans person I really don't like drag. meadowlander Jul 2022 #98

Thank you for a thoughtful post on your feelings and experience Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #101

I'm not going to roast you for that opinion. maxsolomon Jul 2022 #103

Drag queens aren't typically trans Sympthsical Jul 2022 #109

you might want to re-read #98 maxsolomon Jul 2022 #113

I read it just fine Sympthsical Jul 2022 #115

Try this. Torchlight Jul 2022 #102

Imagine thinking this is somehow relevant BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #119

I've been to both types of show during my life Grolph_ Jul 2022 #121

Ummmm... No. IngridsLittleAngel Jul 2022 #122