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Torchlight

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102. Try this.

Reply to Progressive Lawyer (Original post)

Wed Jul 6, 2022, 06:18 PM

Jul 2022

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215969127

Every question you've posed is addressed in the link provided. I'm not a bright guy, but it pointedly gave answers, explicitly as well as implicitly, that may better serve your concerns.

That being done, if you could support your own hypothesis and conclusion regarding your original question, and illustrate for us the path you took to arrive there... that alone, if done with sincerity, would probably establish good faith maybe seen currently as lacking or underwhelming.

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Similarities between exaggerated drag queen shows and "blackface"? [View all] Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 OP

Well someone woke up on the AkFemDem Jul 2022 #1

... greenjar_01 Jul 2022 #2

No. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2022 #3

This is super important FrankBooth Jul 2022 #4

Lol no. Mary Cheney made this shitty comparison a few years back. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2022 #5

Mrs. Solomon made this assertion 20+ years ago: maxsolomon Jul 2022 #6

There are straight drag queens madville Jul 2022 #23

doesn't really change the question, though. maxsolomon Jul 2022 #24

Oh, FFS. demmiblue Jul 2022 #7

You mean the Black Race? pwb Jul 2022 #8

Seems Rather Silly, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2022 #9

thank you sir, for the insight. librechik Jul 2022 #34

So... RobinA Jul 2022 #56

I Am Not Going To Bother With This, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2022 #65

Coulda just used two letters. Nevilledog Jul 2022 #94

Sometimes I Just Gotta Unwind, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2022 #95

I hope the favorable medical news holds steady, my friend. Nevilledog Jul 2022 #96

It is my fervent hope Sir, that all news in re your personal welfare is of a most auspicious nature. Celerity Jul 2022 #123

Partial blackface. milestogo Jul 2022 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author irisblue Jul 2022 #11

The difference is that your skin color is genetically determined. pnwmom Jul 2022 #12

Rachel Dolezal was ostracized for attempting to pass as black. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #14

But she didn't do blackface, so I don't know how what she did is analogous to drag. pnwmom Jul 2022 #16

I am not saying Rachel Dolezal issue was analogous to drag. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #22

But there is nothing essential about fancy clothing and makeup to a woman's identity. pnwmom Jul 2022 #30

I thought drag queens were exaggerating the female gender. But I could be wrong. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #31

How did you miss post #9? (nt) Duncan Grant Jul 2022 #37

How did you miss post #5? Blackface is a lie. Drag is exploring gender. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #68

Unless you're born trans. meadowlander Jul 2022 #97

Not sure what you're saying. pnwmom Jul 2022 #100

Gender dysphoria likely does have a genetic component. meadowlander Jul 2022 #107

I'm saying the same thing you are. pnwmom Jul 2022 #108

I think it's problematic because they can be read as mocking trans people. meadowlander Jul 2022 #110

Okay, I get what you're saying. pnwmom Jul 2022 #114

Black face and drag are equivalent? How come? (nt) Duncan Grant Jul 2022 #13

NO! There is no similarities at least to this female. I love and admire Drag Queens PA_jen Jul 2022 #15

I love them too MustLoveBeagles Jul 2022 #116

Matters not gender of person dragging, but skin color does matter to blackface Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #17

+1 nt Raine1967 Jul 2022 #25

No. r�is�n_dubh Jul 2022 #18

I think only if it is combined with keeping women out of our public space delisen Jul 2022 #19

What do we say to the God of death sarisataka Jul 2022 #20

Well you managed to jcgoldie Jul 2022 #21

Wow...just...Wow. Spazito Jul 2022 #26

Progressive lawyers know the difference. Raine1967 Jul 2022 #27

Was the 80's movie "Soul Man" based in racism? Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #29

I didn't watch the movie as it was offensive then and now. That said, your OP Raine1967 Jul 2022 #35

You said "black face" was based on racism. I cited an 80's black face movie that challenges... Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #36

I also said good day. nt Raine1967 Jul 2022 #40

I agree, it is a good day. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #43

No you are wrong. It does not challenge the assertion Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #44

Plz read up on minstrel shows. Oneironaut Jul 2022 #46

Pricilla, Queen of the Desert tenderfoot Jul 2022 #105

I need to watch that film! Raine1967 Jul 2022 #111

Does NOT apply. Entertainment drag queens are not trying to fraudulently scam scholarships Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #42

That's why I cited Soul Man...it is black face yet arguably not racist. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #45

You miss the point. It is NOT analogous to drag queens reading at libraries. NOT in any way Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #50

I'm not talking about drag queens reading in libraries. I am talking about drag queen shows. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #54

Oh, NOW you explain that. It is still NOT analogous. You miss the basic point of the role Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #57

I never said drag queen shows are fraud. I suggested that black face is used for entertainment... Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #66

In THIS day and age, blackface is NOT used for entertainment Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #71

Wrong, here are several examples of Black Face in entertainment in the past 20 years. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #73

Post links people can actually read. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #76

Sorry, I realize I pay for the NY Times. But here is a free list: Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #78

I'm not going to analyze them all, but the first one (30 Rock) bombs your hypothesis to hell Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #83

They're probably like porn, in that "you'll know one when you see it" jmowreader Jul 2022 #33

Agreed. That said... Raine1967 Jul 2022 #39

Much like lions... tenderfoot Jul 2022 #104

... Raine1967 Jul 2022 #112

Not a fish obamanut2012 Jul 2022 #28

Ha. I alway liked the expression ... Whiskeytide Jul 2022 #32

Any fish bite if you got good bait. MineralMan Jul 2022 #41

lol they do for me whenever I surf fish! obamanut2012 Jul 2022 #49

Next up on the docket: "Are transgenders shape-shifting reptiles?" Oneironaut Jul 2022 #48

Oh, I am waiting for something like that obamanut2012 Jul 2022 #51

Most of my neighbors are radical Republiqans. Do you have travel plans? Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #55

Ewww! Their brains are already rotten. Oneironaut Jul 2022 #89

Yep, MAGAts are an indicator of rot and decay. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #90

Please do not use transgender as a noun. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #87

Pffft! I know all about them transgenders! Oneironaut Jul 2022 #88

You're welcome. Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #91

It's impossible to tell satire anymore. Oneironaut Jul 2022 #92

Unfortunately you are correct. Ms. Toad Jul 2022 #99

Yeah, No. MineralMan Jul 2022 #38

Liberation vs oppression Sympthsical Jul 2022 #47

I'd disagree b/c the 80's movie Soul Man is black face, but it isn't meant to mock. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #52

Your assertion of analogy has been decisively nixed upthread. Drag shows are not FRAUDS Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #61

Except I never said drag queen shows have elements of fraud.... Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #70

Get with the program. In THIS day and age, blackface is NOT used for entertainment Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #72

Wrong. Here are sever examples of Black Face in entertainment from the past 20 years. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #75

Post links that people can actually read. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #77

Here you go: Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #80

I'm not going to analyze them all, but the first one (30 Rock) bombs your hypothesis to hell Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #81

You said black face is not used in entertainment anymore. These cites prove you wrong. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #82

Your first cite contradicts that hypothesis. USED FOR is not USED AS Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #85

That fact that most of these entertainment shows have been pulled or edited... Progressive Lawyer Jul 2022 #86

At some point, the historical context is enough to dissuade use Sympthsical Jul 2022 #63

This MustLoveBeagles Jul 2022 #118

hard no FreeState Jul 2022 #53

It's Devisive RobinA Jul 2022 #59

No it doesn't FreeState Jul 2022 #60

Don't you mean "divisive"? Who devised a new word? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #64

Oh that was pretty damn good. Nicely done. n/t Whiskeytide Jul 2022 #79

This may help you to understand. I came across it the day I signed up here. Torchlight Jul 2022 #67

Ha.... Corgigal Jul 2022 #58

They Should Both RobinA Jul 2022 #62

Black face and drag are equivalent? How come? (nt) Duncan Grant Jul 2022 #74

I'm not gettig it either MustLoveBeagles Jul 2022 #117

68 replies, 0 recs. Im glad the community knows hateful anti-LGBT bullshit propaganda on sight... FreepFryer Jul 2022 #69

did you alert on it? maxsolomon Jul 2022 #106

I did FreeState Jul 2022 #120

This take sounds like something my rw aunt would post Politicub Jul 2022 #84

How do drag kings fit into your paradigm then? cagefreesoylentgreen Jul 2022 #93

I'm sure I'll get roasted for this but as a trans person I really don't like drag. meadowlander Jul 2022 #98

Thank you for a thoughtful post on your feelings and experience Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #101

I'm not going to roast you for that opinion. maxsolomon Jul 2022 #103

Drag queens aren't typically trans Sympthsical Jul 2022 #109

you might want to re-read #98 maxsolomon Jul 2022 #113

I read it just fine Sympthsical Jul 2022 #115

Try this. Torchlight Jul 2022 #102

Imagine thinking this is somehow relevant BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #119

I've been to both types of show during my life Grolph_ Jul 2022 #121

Ummmm... No. IngridsLittleAngel Jul 2022 #122