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NanceGreggs

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19. I appreciate what you're saying.
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 10:41 AM
Jul 2022

But there is another side to all of this that should not be ignored.

Along with many other Democrats (and DUers, of course), I don't want to see us becoming a left-wing version of what is happening on the right, where every single thing that happens evolves into a full-blown conspiracy theory devoid of actual facts to support it.

Some of the "theories" proffered over the past two days were, to put it bluntly, as ludicrous as Jewish Space Lasers causing wildfires, and Chinese thermostats flipping Trump votes to Biden votes. I won't embarrass posters by citing specific, totally bizarre CTs that have been posted - but they're easily found for those interested in reading them.

The basis for many of these theories is that Trump has shown himself to be "capable" of all sorts of criminality - and that's true. But that doesn't mean he is automatically guilty of every criminal act committed, or even that the death of his ex-wife was the result of a crime.

It is not unusual for an elderly woman to die from a fall down the stairs, or to have a heart attack that precipitates a fatal fall. Had Ivana not been married to Trump (many, many years ago), her death would have been reported simply as a tragic accident - end of discussion.

To accuse Trump of "offing" Ivana lacks two vital components: facts and motive (unless you want to count a few day's delay in being deposed as a viable motive for murder.)

I believe we should stay focused on the crimes Donald Trump has actually committed - and provably so. Why muddy the waters with
"but he could have, but he might have" bullshit, when the undeniable facts of his real crimes are staring us in the face?

Let's stick to the facts - and leave the conspiracy theories to the RW nut-jobs who can prove that JFK's family kidnapped the Lindberg Baby, and Charles Manson acted on the direct orders of aliens from Mars.

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My Sunday morning diatribe... [View all] PCIntern Jul 2022 OP
TY Ferrets are Cool Jul 2022 #1
PREACH HAB911 Jul 2022 #2
Given what we know about that family Bettie Jul 2022 #3
They'll "mourn" when it gets them out of depositions etc, FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #24
Yes, their mourning is a Bettie Jul 2022 #28
By rights it shouldn't by the more than a week. dflprincess Jul 2022 #79
Very well-stated Pacifist Patriot Jul 2022 #4
I agree with you in toto PCIntern Jul 2022 #5
And I totally agree with you, PCIntern. Furthermore, it was made "politically incorrect" to BComplex Jul 2022 #50
At the end of the day, I can say no more than it is certain... Hugin Jul 2022 #6
I agree with all you said - the question I have is why Ivana? rurallib Jul 2022 #7
Her sudden death allowed tfg to skip his Friday deposition, for one. panader0 Jul 2022 #20
Plus, it's well known that Putin's spies were in touch with her at her Prague residence peppertree Jul 2022 #35
Many seem unable to believe the medical examiner's conclusion that Ivanka Trump fell down the stairs Ptah Jul 2022 #8
Bravo! Well said. Paladin Jul 2022 #9
That despicable bastard is NOT to be trusted under any circumstances. calimary Jul 2022 #13
Definitely worth considering whether she fell or was pushed. TheRickles Jul 2022 #10
Phew. That's quite a read (as much as I have so far.) Would benefit from some graphs showing erronis Jul 2022 #16
How many times has our "fake news" been proven as truthful? Mr. Ected Jul 2022 #11
K&R Alice Kramden Jul 2022 #12
Righteous. kairos12 Jul 2022 #14
The timing of Ivana's death in relation to Trump's scheduled deposition is "interesting" dlk Jul 2022 #15
Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2022 #17
Conspire - literally, to breath together. TheRickles Jul 2022 #21
Yes. H2O Man Jul 2022 #25
I'm naturally suspicious Marthe48 Jul 2022 #18
I appreciate what you're saying. NanceGreggs Jul 2022 #19
True, but there's more than just a delayed deposition at stake here. TheRickles Jul 2022 #22
While I'm in agreement with Nance Mr. Evil Jul 2022 #49
Completely agree. n/t sammythecat Jul 2022 #23
It's not a conspiracy theory until it's proven false. llmart Jul 2022 #26
+1 H2O Man Jul 2022 #27
THANK YOU! stopdiggin Jul 2022 #37
I'm only suspicious of the explanation. But I just can't vanlassie Jul 2022 #52
so you have touble with the hip pain? stopdiggin Jul 2022 #62
Right. Bad hip taking stairs? Assuming there would have been a lift. vanlassie Jul 2022 #67
I agree. Now, if Melania had taken a header down the grand gilded staircase at Mar-a-Lago, that sop Jul 2022 #29
Thank you. llmart Jul 2022 #30
And one thing a mob boss cultivates... Grasswire2 Jul 2022 #74
True. llmart Jul 2022 #82
What could she POSSIBLY KNOW that would be a NEW danger to TFG?? n/t TeamProg Jul 2022 #31
We don't know what we don't know. Higherarky Jul 2022 #42
!!! TeamProg Jul 2022 #43
I'm in absolute agreement. pandr32 Jul 2022 #32
You forgot the part of about the wife of the Supreme Court justice tulipsandroses Jul 2022 #33
I hear you. I think she likely fell, but like you said, no trust where Trump is remotely involved. Joinfortmill Jul 2022 #34
Sorry, no one has to "prove" to you that she had an accident. former9thward Jul 2022 #36
exactly stopdiggin Jul 2022 #38
Well, this is a look Sympthsical Jul 2022 #39
We all have experience with this guy. He never does ANYTHING honestly if he can do Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #61
Agreed. Using the term "conspiracy theory" to dismiss, MarcA Jul 2022 #40
I find the official cause of death a bit strange.. yellowdogintexas Jul 2022 #41
I could picture it happening on the back of the torso. Low back or kidney area causing internal Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #60
Wouldn't the medical examiner's word then have been back? summer_in_TX Jul 2022 #80
K&R spanone Jul 2022 #44
Ivana was an "Olympic athlete" per Dimdonnie. Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #45
More on StB-KGB Trump thing... Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #46
Maybe, at that time, Mr. Evil Jul 2022 #51
The Manchurian Moron had one major fault. Kid Berwyn Jul 2022 #65
OMG! Mr. Evil Jul 2022 #66
Nyet collusion! czarjak Jul 2022 #71
The trump family is like a 21st century reincarnation of the Borgias. Siwsan Jul 2022 #47
Wouldn't surprise me if she was self-medicating for hip pain and anxiety over her offspring diane in sf Jul 2022 #54
Your suggestion is the most realistic thing I've seen FakeNoose Jul 2022 #68
KnR Hekate Jul 2022 #48
👏👏👏👏👏👏 n/t OneGrassRoot Jul 2022 #53
+1 bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #55
This is an epic homegirl Jul 2022 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Jul 2022 #57
Good essay Hekate Jul 2022 #58
Well said! When I heard she fell down the stairs I thought, "How very Russian!" It was probably Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #59
Well, it's just like ymetca Jul 2022 #63
Interestingly enough, I woke up questioning how Ivana actually died, I'm very suspect Cozmo Jul 2022 #64
With all things RTump... ultralite001 Jul 2022 #69
The company one kept... ultralite001 Jul 2022 #70
Ironically enough ... NanceGreggs Jul 2022 #72
Well Done, PCIntern! So m any Cha Jul 2022 #73
If I were connected orthoclad Jul 2022 #75
Whatever. Is there any reason that Donald would have wanted to kill Ivanka? Martin68 Jul 2022 #76
Are you SERIOUS ????????????????????? Haggis 4 Breakfast Jul 2022 #77
You won't hear any complaints about your "diatribe" from me.... Sogo Jul 2022 #78
A fall down the stairs MFM008 Jul 2022 #81
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