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Nevilledog

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39. And what I'm saying is it doesn't matter.

Mon Jul 18, 2022, 02:11 PM

Jul 2022

The guy who killed the shooter was carrying his weapon in a mall where it was prohibited. We're in a situation where people are just doing whatever they want with guns. The training opportunities for people who, by law, are not required to avail themselves of, is just not relevant.

What we're going to start seeing is shootouts amongst civilians where one thinks they're a "good guy with a gun". And bystanders will be killed or injured by the good guy. Heck, this weekend cops shot & injured 5 bystanders by shooting into crowded downtown Denver and witnesses say they didn't even see the police's target have a gun. And those are highly trained individuals.

More guns means more shootings and more deaths and injuries. Training won't be the deciding factor. Cops will become even more deadly because they are going to assume everyone is armed and they are so highly focused on "officer safety" over the safety of others.

I think I'm done with this. We just see things from very different perspectives.

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Glad to see someone who wasn't a coward actually stopped a shooting [View all] Calculating Jul 2022 OP

Yup, now that's a hero! 🎉 🌹 nt Raine Jul 2022 #1

details? Skittles Jul 2022 #2

A civilian good guy with a gun killed the Indy mall shooter. Frasier Balzov Jul 2022 #4

if someone is killing people and gets killed, well, yeah that is some kind of justice Skittles Jul 2022 #5

I'm not questioning whether the shooter deserved his death. Frasier Balzov Jul 2022 #6

why are you questioning that Skittles Jul 2022 #12

I get no comfort from the idea that my life might depend on an untrained civilian. Nevilledog Jul 2022 #3

How much comfort do you get ... Straw Man Jul 2022 #7

I don't either but after seeing those cowardly worthless cops Raine Jul 2022 #13

If the guy has a licenses to conceal carry, he had some kind of training. Kaleva Jul 2022 #18

Indiana requires NO permit for concealed carry Nevilledog Jul 2022 #28

Michigan and many other states do require some training Kaleva Jul 2022 #31

I am unwilling to assume anyone carrying has safety training. Nevilledog Jul 2022 #33

But you agree that some to many do? Kaleva Jul 2022 #34

Big difference between some and many. Nevilledog Jul 2022 #35

People don't have to get the training but a lot do Kaleva Jul 2022 #36

And what I'm saying is it doesn't matter. Nevilledog Jul 2022 #39

I wonder how long it'll be until there's... Richard D Jul 2022 #8

Here we go... dcweed Jul 2022 #9

This. Scrivener7 Jul 2022 #16

+1 Mad_Machine76 Jul 2022 #32

It's cowardly to not want try to stop that to begin with. rockfordfile Jul 2022 #10

Wait a minute here, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #23

I'm not really. It justifies the slogan "a good guy with a gun. . . " pnwmom Jul 2022 #11

Some wanted to go in but were held back Kaleva Jul 2022 #19

if only markie Jul 2022 #14

A great place to go, but you can't get there from here. nt Earth-shine Jul 2022 #15

I have no problem with armed CCW carriers mainer Jul 2022 #17

20 states require no permit. Still feeling safe? rgbecker Jul 2022 #20

IIRC, Indiana changed to permit less carry this year ok_cpu Jul 2022 #22

I am glad lives were saved...sad that it has come to this. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #25

It only works with strict CCW permits. mainer Jul 2022 #29

What our lives really depend on is that most people behave in a civilized manner Walleye Jul 2022 #21

And we all know who's fomenting that hatred. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #24

👆 Walleye Jul 2022 #27

Could not agree more. AngryOldDem Jul 2022 #37

How many shots did this hero take before Emile Jul 2022 #26

There was a guy at the Giffords shooting who was carrying Mosby Jul 2022 #38

It seems there are differing opinions sarisataka Jul 2022 #30