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thucythucy

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216. Leadership is about leading.

Wed Jul 20, 2022, 08:05 PM

Jul 2022

It's not about waiting for others "to make room" or whatever.

Were you around on DU back during the days of "Nancy Pelosi should step aside because she's too old to be effective"? In the years since she's done amazing work--shepherding the creation of the January 6th committee through the process being just the latest example.

You can't replace something with nothing, or someone with no one. Before kicking out Speaker Pelosi, or President Biden, or Senator Sanders or Senator Warren, I'd like to see who it is would be replacing them.

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Young Voters Are Fed Up With Their (Much) Older Leaders [View all] Coventina Jul 2022 OP

'Young voters' mzmolly Jul 2022 #1

God knows they didn't get it in school. Haggard Celine Jul 2022 #13

Their elders really dropped the ball, doing away with civics classes in schools. nt. Mariana Jul 2022 #113

Yes they did. Haggard Celine Jul 2022 #120

well there, I'm afraid, is where we Democrats tend to drop the ball treestar Jul 2022 #160

+1 2naSalit Jul 2022 #48

The young have the numbers, they need to use them captain queeg Jul 2022 #2

The old also get out and vote Retrograde Jul 2022 #8

+1 2naSalit Jul 2022 #50

Very true captain queeg Jul 2022 #52

The old also get out and vote, and most of them vote for Republicans. nt. Mariana Jul 2022 #114

and that's exactly what Americans get to do treestar Jul 2022 #162

That's what I said at the Pentagon in 1967 at age 15 DFW Jul 2022 #3

Nope. Coventina Jul 2022 #11

I agree. And I'm the same age as you. Haggard Celine Jul 2022 #24

No shit. Isn't that what all young, people say about older, Greybnk48 Jul 2022 #77

I have a choice this fall between 2 Democrats Retrograde Jul 2022 #4

Then they need to vote! Elessar Zappa Jul 2022 #5

Then we are fucking doomed as they don't vote hardly at all...if they object to whoever then Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #9

Well it is divisive and should not be posted...this is agism pure and simple...and since the Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #6

☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Jul 2022 #14

That 22-year-old first time voter apparently didn't care enough in 2016 either AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2022 #19

Um....if she's 22 now, she would have been too young to vote in 2016. n/t Coventina Jul 2022 #26

I read it as she was 22 in 2020 SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #29

I agree it's a bit vaguely written, but even if that is so Coventina Jul 2022 #31

Nice try, but no SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #35

OK, got it. She missed her first election so her opinion does not matter for the rest of her life. Coventina Jul 2022 #39

No one said her opinion doesn't matter SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #43

If she doesn't vote at all her opinion does not matter treestar Jul 2022 #95

No, but the Supreme Court decisions The Revolution Jul 2022 #132

I read that as she was a 22-year-old first time voter in 2020 AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2022 #33

If she turned 18 in 2016 she might not have reached 18 in time to vote. n/t Coventina Jul 2022 #34

If she was 22 on Nov 3 2020 AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2022 #36

Please see my response #39 n/t Coventina Jul 2022 #40

That's not possible SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #38

That Couldn't Be It ProfessorGAC Jul 2022 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jul 2022 #56

+1 treestar Jul 2022 #85

Ageism isn't just against elders. You are wrong when you say the young barely vote Autumn Jul 2022 #214

WTF?! The Supreme Court decisions are NOT Biden's fault!! yardwork Jul 2022 #7

Yes it is and should not even be posted here...I suppose some Democrat hating entity Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #10

Hence the "lesson in civics" post #1. SergeStorms Jul 2022 #96

They don't know because their elders failed to educate them. nt. Mariana Jul 2022 #148

I would have more respect for their opinions ripcord Jul 2022 #122

Sorry but these people are just stupid. JI7 Jul 2022 #12

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #58

It was a bunch of new young justices that helped overturn Roe JI7 Jul 2022 #15

Excellent point. Boomerproud Jul 2022 #217

im 60 and i agree with the younger generation moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #16

THANK YOU Skittles Jul 2022 #32

You can't "pass the baton" if there's no one there to pick it up. thucythucy Jul 2022 #53

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #59

I'm talking in general Skittles Jul 2022 #80

And yet when offered a relatively young woman as a candidate thucythucy Jul 2022 #99

People swore they would've voted for Warren had she run in 2016, always praised as a progressive betsuni Jul 2022 #105

I was an early and ardent supporter of Senator Warren. thucythucy Jul 2022 #108

Is it Hillary Clinton you are calling "relatively young"? Mariana Jul 2022 #141

Well, compared to Trump and Biden. thucythucy Jul 2022 #215

"Relatively young" Sympthsical Jul 2022 #176

There were many young candidates running in 2020 JI7 Jul 2022 #102

yeah but who got the prize Skittles Jul 2022 #133

NO ONE inthewind21 Jul 2022 #161

Pass the baton? inthewind21 Jul 2022 #159

66, here, and Hubby and I have been saying the same thing Maeve Jul 2022 #136

and yet here the younger generation gets called stupid moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #139

Not by everyone; and the denigration of the young goes back to the start of time Maeve Jul 2022 #145

Well inthewind21 Jul 2022 #164

Leadership is about leading. thucythucy Jul 2022 #216

Don't misunderstand me...no one else could be Pelosi Maeve Jul 2022 #226

I agree--I also know young activists thucythucy Jul 2022 #232

That argument is meaningless when the polls showed treestar Jul 2022 #155

It's nothing new. It's what the '60s was all about. What the election... brush Jul 2022 #17

In the 60s, young people weren't getting economically wrecked by their parents Sympthsical Jul 2022 #22

Ok. It's still what happens. And newsflash: if you're in your early 40s... brush Jul 2022 #27

I'm definitely not young people Sympthsical Jul 2022 #30

What are you proposing exactly? Voting against Democrats? brush Jul 2022 #47

I take your point. thucythucy Jul 2022 #65

2016 isn't what broke Millennials Sympthsical Jul 2022 #73

I agree with the details you mention. thucythucy Jul 2022 #86

The gerontocracy idea generates a lot of discussion Sympthsical Jul 2022 #18

I sadly agree with you. I think that young people are not "seen" or "heard." Coventina Jul 2022 #25

If Student Loans were that important they would have voted for Elizabeth Warren JI7 Jul 2022 #55

It's an issue, not the only issue Sympthsical Jul 2022 #69

I'm not the one dismissing student loans. Voters did that by not supporting Warren who was the only JI7 Jul 2022 #71

2020 election by age group moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #72

That is consonant with what I said. Sympthsical Jul 2022 #78

Good to know. thucythucy Jul 2022 #110

What do you suggest? thucythucy Jul 2022 #76

Stop sneering at their issues would be a huge start. Sympthsical Jul 2022 #82

Thank you for persisting. summer_in_TX Jul 2022 #104

I wasn't "resting on laurels." thucythucy Jul 2022 #106

Thank you for being patient & for actually trying to understand younger & dissatisfied voters SunImp Jul 2022 #125

+1 SunImp Jul 2022 #116

You get heard by voting treestar Jul 2022 #87

Vote harder and shut up! TransitJohn Jul 2022 #181

Slightly OT, but I wish there were more younger folks on DU. demmiblue Jul 2022 #20

I was a young person.....when I joined DU 20 years ago. Coventina Jul 2022 #21

To be honest... kentuck Jul 2022 #97

I agree. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #126

So inthewind21 Jul 2022 #168

good luck with that Celerity Jul 2022 #81

+1 SunImp Jul 2022 #130

We don't know that treestar Jul 2022 #91

My kids and the majority of their friends (early 20s) feel the same way. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #23

Well inthewind21 Jul 2022 #169

Having been young once, I understand their frustration. maxsolomon Jul 2022 #28

When I was young, I kept voting treestar Jul 2022 #92

Yes, I've never not voted. maxsolomon Jul 2022 #111

Then they need to get their butts to register to vote & show up at the polls onetexan Jul 2022 #37

why should they? moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #44

ROE was overturned by Supreme Court Justices Appointed br Republicans JI7 Jul 2022 #54

thats a sure way to bring them to your side.call them stupid....... moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #61

This is bs. There were many young people running for President in 2020 JI7 Jul 2022 #63

well I'm not going to say they are smart treestar Jul 2022 #90

Totally agree Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #103

What response do they expect on the federal level? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #150

Their futures are very dark because of climate change Kaleva Jul 2022 #66

Because that's the reality. tazkcmo Jul 2022 #83

Couldn't agree more!! onetexan Jul 2022 #166

lol we are fed up with them treestar Jul 2022 #89

If it was up to young voters AZProgressive Jul 2022 #222

If you are going to generalize by the majority of an age group treestar Jul 2022 #230

And here in lies the problem inthewind21 Jul 2022 #170

The story literally beings with a girl who voted for Biden in 2020 iemanja Jul 2022 #67

With age comes experience and usually more knowledge. Progressive dog Jul 2022 #42

In the US, with age comes a tendency to vote for Republicans. nt. Mariana Jul 2022 #115

And? Progressive dog Jul 2022 #137

An old idea that would work fine is a 70%+ tax rate. GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #45

In the 60s and 70s young people were fed up with the older generation too. Irish_Dem Jul 2022 #46

What does anybody expect? Novara Jul 2022 #49

Sanders is old also. There were many young candidates running in 2020 JI7 Jul 2022 #60

and yet in this very thread they are being called stupid. moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #70

No One Was Flat Called Stupid Willto Jul 2022 #128

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #129

Really? Celerity Jul 2022 #131

While I agree with the gist of your post ... Novara Jul 2022 #135

aren't you adding to the "snowflake" theme? treestar Jul 2022 #158

Well maybe if they don't vote for Biden, TFG could get back in! treestar Jul 2022 #88

I remember when I was in college and thought people in their 40's were old womanofthehills Jul 2022 #51

I'm 50 and Biden appears ancient to me. n/t TransitJohn Jul 2022 #193

Biden is ancient. That's just a fact. Mariana Jul 2022 #196

Yes, indeed peggysue2 Jul 2022 #210

I'm in my 50's, watching my parents (who are Biden's and Pelosi's age, Silent Generation), trying Wingus Dingus Jul 2022 #57

But why didn't young people vote for one of many young Democrats running JI7 Jul 2022 #62

Do you mean the Presidential primaries? Probably because they Wingus Dingus Jul 2022 #68

some people still subsccribe to the idea that "they have paid their dues" moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #64

Yep. Our late-millennial sons laugh at our old ways of doing practically everything, which Wingus Dingus Jul 2022 #74

ive been spending a lot of time on reddit moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #75

people in those age groups know those apps treestar Jul 2022 #93

Depends on the person treestar Jul 2022 #94

So what's her alternative? Not voting? 3rd party? mcar Jul 2022 #79

This looks like an interview with one person treestar Jul 2022 #84

It's not age, in itself, it's traits associated with age 867-5309. Jul 2022 #98

Right. They like Bernie, even though he's old, Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #127

Other than naming post offices, can you name one piece of groundbreaking legislation... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2022 #211

There is the Sanders-McCain VA bill that was signed by Obama AZProgressive Jul 2022 #220

"Authored" by BS? So, he merged a bill with a Republican? Fancy that. Will wonders never cease. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2022 #223

Republicans wanted to privatize the VA AZProgressive Jul 2022 #224

So, it wasn't really BS' bill. He merged his with JM's. Wasn't really my question though. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jul 2022 #225

They were on the same committee addressing the issue AZProgressive Jul 2022 #227

But we're never supposed to give an inch, remember? Merging with a Republican? Isn't that... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2022 #228

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #231

Well gosh, kids, I guess we'll just keep trying until we find one you like. Iggo Jul 2022 #100

So someone younger needs to step up then. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 #101

like this... oioioi Jul 2022 #112

AOC? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 #117

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #119

She's Bernie's obvious successor. oioioi Jul 2022 #123

I don't think AOC could win. shrike3 Jul 2022 #153

Fears grow that Obama can't win....(2008) oioioi Jul 2022 #165

AOC would have to win the support of a broad range of voters . shrike3 Jul 2022 #174

Well... oioioi Jul 2022 #179

A non-answer on No. 3. She's gotten very good at politics. shrike3 Jul 2022 #182

I'm in my 70s and I would vote for AOC Emile Jul 2022 #190

That's good. shrike3 Jul 2022 #207

There are. If she was the nominee wouldn't you vote Emile Jul 2022 #208

Of course. But a lot has to happen before she is the nominee. shrike3 Jul 2022 #209

Yes. Like that. Iggo Jul 2022 #171

This reminds me of a new Marketing college grad I had to work with for a while nini Jul 2022 #107

Unrealistic expectations, believes "Democrats don't fight" "Why didn't Democrats stop __ ?" betsuni Jul 2022 #109

I was a teenage voter in the 90's Polybius Jul 2022 #118

You can't compare the state of the party in the '90s to today - the leadership of the party in the Midwestern Democrat Jul 2022 #134

I'm not comparing the state of the party, I'm just saying that young people don't vote Polybius Jul 2022 #172

I felt like that when I was their age and later too Raine Jul 2022 #121

"But he's too old" is the new "But her emails." betsuni Jul 2022 #124

this whole thread is prime example of why most polls show the dems in a lot of trouble in 2022 moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #138

So you think Democrats have huge legislative majorities and don't do anything? betsuni Jul 2022 #140

The post you are replying explicitly noted Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #142

What actions? "a host of others" What? betsuni Jul 2022 #143

Again, read the post you replied to. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #144

I didn't say it was. What are you talking about? betsuni Jul 2022 #146

+1 treestar Jul 2022 #157

why do we have to be their servants? treestar Jul 2022 #156

Um, a lot of polls show the Democratic Party Expanding in the Senate and House. Tommymac Jul 2022 #167

I was reading an article the other day about the Queen Sympthsical Jul 2022 #186

+1 spot on! Emile Jul 2022 #189

Doesn't matter much. Climate change is going to make survival for them really tough Kaleva Jul 2022 #147

Then it's their turn to run - have at it! Generic Brad Jul 2022 #149

It's not so much old politicians as old attitudes . . . . hatrack Jul 2022 #151

Thank you!! n/t Coventina Jul 2022 #152

No worries inthewind21 Jul 2022 #173

Very new, but strangely enough, reeking of straight-up Bronze Age bullshit hatrack Jul 2022 #180

Well inthewind21 Jul 2022 #154

As a middle age millennial now at the age of 39 Jspur Jul 2022 #163

Well inthewind21 Jul 2022 #175

The son of a friend of mine and his friends don't vote because they feel the Ds don't offer them shrike3 Jul 2022 #184

I"m middle aged so I don't need your Jspur Jul 2022 #188

THIS!!!!! moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #192

"Nothing has changed?" thucythucy Jul 2022 #218

Oh, so much hatred of young people Bettie Jul 2022 #177

It seems to be a reflex to blame the young people for everything that's wrong. Mariana Jul 2022 #178

The fact Trump won the over 50 demographic Sympthsical Jul 2022 #183

Hopefully that 31% increases to 50% or more in the next few years SunImp Jul 2022 #198

Yep. It's just how things go here Bettie Jul 2022 #185

"No longer seriously young" Sympthsical Jul 2022 #199

Problem is, those old people do not think they are fucking over their children and grandchildren shrike3 Jul 2022 #187

A lot of them are dummies and are Jspur Jul 2022 #191

There is much denial of reality going on. Mariana Jul 2022 #195

They do it every chance they can get SunImp Jul 2022 #197

I always appreciate people living with government subsidy Sympthsical Jul 2022 #200

Living with government subsidy? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 #201

Oh, there are other things Sympthsical Jul 2022 #203

Oh there are other things? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 #204

Not an accusation, just a general observation Sympthsical Jul 2022 #205

I love your t-shirt quote because Jspur Jul 2022 #206

+1 SunImp Jul 2022 #194

Can I get an amen?! demmiblue Jul 2022 #202

Yep. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #212

I'm about that age too Bettie Jul 2022 #213

I'm sorry, but thucythucy Jul 2022 #219

Nobody. betsuni Jul 2022 #221

Hell, some of our older voters are fed up with our older leaders. Hotler Jul 2022 #229