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relayerbob

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134. Well, for starters

Sat Jul 23, 2022, 12:44 PM

Jul 2022

He'll never take Georgia nor Arizona, unlikely Nevada, Wisconsin, Virginia and possibly others. His health issues, especially the stroke, will be used on a daily basis as a weapon against him, and yes, it absolutely matters, in any day and age. His brash and strong comments will also alienate many people, and will be used to stir up opposition in close states.

I like him, I agree with him on many things. I donated many times to his primary and now to his general campaign, even though I live in Georgia.

But independents won't like him, and even moderates in the GOP will never agree with him, as he is too far to the left, and unless he has a lot of success in the Senate, won't have the credentials to even win in the primaries. Assuming we are talking 2028, there will be a LOT of candidates running. If it's 2024, and Biden doesn't run, then it's even less likely he will be able to be truly competitive. The last thing he needs to do, (esp if it's 2024) and that Democrats and the country needs, is another Sanders-like candidate to split the party, and I believe he has too much integrity to do that. Newsom is far beter positioned to take on DeSantis, whether you believe so or not.

He will definitely be a strong influence going forward, IMO. But objectively, it's highly unlikely he'll be a strong contender for the Presidency, also IMO.

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Keep your eye on Gavin Newsom [View all] jaysunb Jul 2022 OP

K&R !!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2022 #1

I agree he would make a great president. I don't think he would primary President Biden..at least PortTack Jul 2022 #2

I actually do hope he will primary him if Biden decides to run again. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #9

I'm with ya! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #11

Thanks, my friend! Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #12

President Biden has done a GREAT job! Stop bashing him PortTack Jul 2022 #15

Just between you and me... my dream ticket.... LakeArenal Jul 2022 #39

That would work for me either way. Magoo48 Jul 2022 #129

He'll be 82 in 2024. He said he may not run for re-election. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2022 #62

Biden is doing a great job w/ what he's got to work with.. Deuxcents Jul 2022 #95

+1. n/t jaysunb Jul 2022 #98

Bash--to strike something or criticize harshly. Magoo48 Jul 2022 #124

I would be the last person to bash Joe Biden... Handler Jul 2022 #146

He has already said he will not primary Biden, should Biden choose to run for a second term. nt GoCubsGo Jul 2022 #16

Good..it's not that I don't like Newsom..he will one day make a great president. PortTack Jul 2022 #18

Yep, and he's smart enough to know it would be a disaster, too. GoCubsGo Jul 2022 #20

Exactly! PortTack Jul 2022 #21

I trust Biden to be the first one to tell us Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #27

100% THIS relayerbob Jul 2022 #41

Yes Indeed! calimary Jul 2022 #59

Bingo! inthewind21 Jul 2022 #172

DISASTER! stopdiggin Jul 2022 #131

This! Wake up...or we will lose PortTack Jul 2022 #139

It appears inthewind21 Jul 2022 #173

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Jul 2022 #53

He will lose the primary...and we will lose the seat and Newsome will forever branded as the one Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #56

Beg to disagree. As Robert Reich says, the media narrative (corporate owned) PatrickforB Jul 2022 #72

It doesn't change the fact that the states we need are not progressive and we need them to win. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #75

I agree with this. DashOneBravo Jul 2022 #122

Any Democrat does well on the coasts...as the people have a brain...but inbetween it Alabama Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #133

LOL I have gotten 6 emails from the Justice Democrats and affiliates over the last 4 days LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #81

I suspect it was the media mainly 'pushing' de-fund the police. PatrickforB Jul 2022 #93

Robert Reich is a fucking idiot who can't count votes...we would lose the midwest...we cant Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #57

We can't afford to be divided in the next big election. calimary Jul 2022 #60

Exactly mvd Jul 2022 #92

That is what I don't get...we can look at the map of how Biden won and how Obama won...and Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #114

VERY well worth watching. With ANY AND ALL of these pols calimary Jul 2022 #126

I like him too but I just don't think he can win the states we need...time will tell. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #130

Yeah. I'll be watching with interest, also. calimary Jul 2022 #164

I don't think 18 or 19 year olds will vote much...my kids were raised with politics..they went out Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #165

Seems to me they do grow up and into at least some participation. calimary Jul 2022 #167

Newsom will not pull a Ted Kennedy and split the party. madinmaryland Jul 2022 #68

I don't think he will either and I do not consider the trolling in Florida an Texas is about Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #115

I agree pfitz59 Jul 2022 #101

Acually inthewind21 Jul 2022 #171

He better not primary Biden...he will lose and he will never be elected president as we will Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #40

"Democrats always lose when someone primaries a sitting president" Polybius Jul 2022 #89

Who gives a damn about Republicans? What I said is true and you know it... And Ford was Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #102

I think you may have misunderstood my post Polybius Jul 2022 #125

I did misunderstand your post. I agree completely. Thanks for your explanation more than I deservedd Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #128

It's all good! Polybius Jul 2022 #138

That is a very good point...and a somewhat surprising footnote in history...thoughts on why? Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #148

Well, in the case of Ted Kennedy, he chose to never run for President again Polybius Jul 2022 #151

I don't know why either. After 92, Bush I was an outcast in the GOP party. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #153

Kennedy did not run again because DemocraticPatriot Jul 2022 #183

I can't imagine him primarying Biden. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #159

I hope he runs! Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #3

We need a candidate that can win the rustbelt in 24. That would be Biden...maybe eventually Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #42

Are inthewind21 Jul 2022 #174

Huh? Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #181

Yeah musclecar6 Jul 2022 #4

Yes! Lunabell Jul 2022 #5

What he does while satisfying to me as a progressive...won't help with a presidential run... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #45

He did a wonderful job with that gun law that was signed today. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #6

Yes he did ..ppl are forgetting he has a supermajority and isn't fighting an uphill battle PortTack Jul 2022 #22

There is no need to qualify it like that. It's a brilliant idea. Others may want to take note. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #47

but it DOES require that qualification stopdiggin Jul 2022 #137

Indeed! PortTack Jul 2022 #141

I wonder if and/or how Joe will be affected by cilla4progress Jul 2022 #7

I would love pinkstarburst Jul 2022 #13

Curious why you support Buttigieg? nbsmom Jul 2022 #157

For me, it's intelligence pinkstarburst Jul 2022 #168

He is the best communicator we have, he is hyper intelligent, plus is cool-headed under attack. Celerity Jul 2022 #185

Biden said he will run in fact...and he is our best shot. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #46

Joe has said that he WILL run again, DemocraticPatriot Jul 2022 #184

Yes, I agree. Control-Z Jul 2022 #8

I am. boston bean Jul 2022 #10

Love to see a Newsom / Buttigieg ticket for 2024. 634-5789 Jul 2022 #14

I doubt Republican candidates would debate them. JanMichael Jul 2022 #26

yeah sure feels like he's thinking of runnnig for president..... Takket Jul 2022 #17

...and beware of tone arguments, and who's making them. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2022 #19

I'd vote for him any day budkin Jul 2022 #23

Agree! K and R Quixote1818 Jul 2022 #24

+1 -K&R!! onetexan Jul 2022 #74

I'd like to see the democratic governors of Oregon and Washington join him. IcyPeas Jul 2022 #25

The Cali ticket - Kamala & Newsome? AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #28

I don't think that's possible radical noodle Jul 2022 #37

Sure, if we want to lose out on 55 electoral votes. nt Tommy Carcetti Jul 2022 #38

It would be like Dukakis..I expect we would lose the midwest and likely Virginia and Georgia. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #48

K&R spanone Jul 2022 #29

Nope...we still need the rustbelt...Obama had Biden...Newsom would have great difficulty Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #30

The Obama coalition won those states. jaysunb Jul 2022 #32

Obama was from Illinois and He had Biden...California is different. Newsome would lose the Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #36

There's always Tim Ryan. Nt jaysunb Jul 2022 #44

If Tim Ryan makes it to the Senate, we need him in the Senate...DeWine would appoint a GOP. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #49

I will never count on new voters...they never show up...just ask Bernie about that. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #156

They did inthewind21 Jul 2022 #175

He brings much needed energy to the fight. jalan48 Jul 2022 #31

We need votes not energy and he would have great difficulty. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #51

He'd have a hard time in the same midwest states that Obama won. progressoid Jul 2022 #33

Our best bet is for Biden to run in 24 and run someone like Fetterman in 28. See map. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #34

I like and support Fetterman but he won't win middle America relayerbob Jul 2022 #54

Yes he would...he is from a rustbelt state...ones we must have and he can win Independents and Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #65

Well, Fetterman is not going to be the guy, either way relayerbob Jul 2022 #67

You underestimate him...he was amazing as a Lieutenent governor and would be a great Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #70

I will remind you of that a few years from now... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #76

Feel free relayerbob Jul 2022 #83

He is a progressive on issues that are popular AZProgressive Jul 2022 #78

I'm not suggesting a moderate is a better candidate relayerbob Jul 2022 #82

I'm not a big Fetterman fan AZProgressive Jul 2022 #84

Actaully I rather like him relayerbob Jul 2022 #86

A-fib is easily controlled so no...and except for medical you have given no reason why Fetterman Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #103

Since I've repeatedly said I DO like him relayerbob Jul 2022 #109

Well you have never said why he won't win? Just that he won't win...I can I evaluate your opinion Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #116

Well, for starters relayerbob Jul 2022 #134

Newsom is extremely liberal ...I like, that but he would lose for the same reasons that Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #140

I have equal like for Newsom and for Fetterman, but ... relayerbob Jul 2022 #144

Ok then, fair enough. I was under the (clearly) mistaken impression that we were talking 28. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #145

Fair enough relayerbob Jul 2022 #149

As I said he is only progressive on issues that are popular AZProgressive Jul 2022 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author relayerbob Jul 2022 #135

Why would he not win and why would he not run? Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #117

Those states you label tossups (especially Texas) will all go to Republicans Polybius Jul 2022 #90

The toss ups were put there by the site and don't count in the Democratic totals... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #100

That I agree with, even though I really like Gavin Polybius Jul 2022 #123

I agree although I think a primary could go either way depending on who runs... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #132

It might depend on who gets the Republican nomination Polybius Jul 2022 #142

I think the GOP would win in that case...and consider...it is two white guys...not a good look Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #147

Perhaps replace Pete with Booker Polybius Jul 2022 #150

It would be epic...but I fear an epic loss. Although someday it may be possible. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #155

He's got charisma and knows how to take it to the Republicans. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #35

He will not be able to move to the middle, and we will lose. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #104

Newsom can move to the middle, like he is now with his "Money back in your pockets" tax refunds. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #158

I will happily vote for him relayerbob Jul 2022 #43

He is way too smart for that. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #52

I know relayerbob Jul 2022 #55

And Trump will release the gargoyle (Guilfoil sp?) masmdu Jul 2022 #50

And everyone can see how far she has fallen since her divorce from him. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #61

And it's not hard to do in the most superficial sense, either. calimary Jul 2022 #58

😆 🤣 nt jaysunb Jul 2022 #64

For all his recent bold progressive actions, I get bad vibes about him Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #63

I kind of like him. I just don't think he has a prayer of winning the election...in fact I doubt he Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #66

Yeah, Fetterman's progressive populism seems like a winning formula Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #79

We had a campaign thingy...I missed a couple becuase I was in the hospital with Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #107

Yikes...glad you're feeling better. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #119

I am thanks...one day at a time...I also had a wicked sinus infectin which the other crap masked Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #143

I live in CA and also think there moonscape Jul 2022 #77

I'm interested, but winning in CA is not the same as winning in the US SYFROYH Jul 2022 #91

What a pant load. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #121

You know, I bet he does run. Time will tell what Biden decides to do. n/t PatrickforB Jul 2022 #69

I do not believe Newsom is a stupid man and there are perils to primarying a sitting president Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #108

Newsom has said more than once, he will not run assuming Biden runs. I do not believe Newsom Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #154

Ad in Florida Frances Jul 2022 #71

They do inthewind21 Jul 2022 #176

It's pretty clear he's setting himself up to run if/when Joe is done. n/t TygrBright Jul 2022 #73

would Gavin Newsom do without his Democratic controlled legislature? bigtree Jul 2022 #80

Nah. He's a pretty good pol. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #88

the op has him running for president bigtree Jul 2022 #96

I didn't suggest or imply he was "running " for anything. Nt jaysunb Jul 2022 #99

No, he won't win the states we need. The kind of talk he is engaging with now will not help in Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #105

Can I have the next powerball numbers? BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #120

You don't need a fortune teller...review the last elections that we won and the states that led to Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #136

California Gov. Gavin Newsom goes after Abbott in Texas on guns and abortion LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #85

Texas and Florida have been the two main states... Xolodno Jul 2022 #87

I don't understand how what he is saying will help us get more votes. Maybe I am missing Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #106

I'm pissed at Newsom right now but still have a huge amount of respect for him ripcord Jul 2022 #94

Moxie & spunk work for me! UTUSN Jul 2022 #97

Two Californians I like in 2024 - Newsom and Katie Porter Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2022 #110

I like Biden fine if his health holds DFW Jul 2022 #111

I like Newsom, however, dlk Jul 2022 #113

Yeah, I'm liking Newsom more and more every day! ananda Jul 2022 #118

I like Newsom stopdiggin Jul 2022 #127

I was thinking the same thing. True Blue American Jul 2022 #152

I would absolutely vote for him for POTUS Quanto Magnus Jul 2022 #160

What happens to VP Harris? colorado_ufo Jul 2022 #161

I agree pressbox69 Jul 2022 #163

If Biden chooses not to run pinkstarburst Jul 2022 #169

No, he will stay it of it. Not a chance he endorses and pushes hard for Harris in the primaries. Celerity Jul 2022 #186

I've kept my eye on that cutie since he was Mayor of San Francisco William769 Jul 2022 #162

And would have a lock on Californias 54 electoral votes fescuerescue Jul 2022 #170

Really inthewind21 Jul 2022 #178

So it may actually be a net loss then fescuerescue Jul 2022 #182

Sherrod Brown is pretty much the only Dem who would have a shot at wining Ohio. Even Biden Celerity Jul 2022 #187

Yes! Gavin is awesome and he'd make a great president! Initech Jul 2022 #177

So inthewind21 Jul 2022 #179

If Biden decides not to run, Gavin is actually the candidate I would like to see run... SKKY Jul 2022 #180