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Polybius

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138. It's all good!

Sat Jul 23, 2022, 12:54 PM

Jul 2022

I also noticed that the person who challenges a sitting President never wins his Party's nomination in the future, except for Reagan.

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Keep your eye on Gavin Newsom [View all] jaysunb Jul 2022 OP

K&R !!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2022 #1

I agree he would make a great president. I don't think he would primary President Biden..at least PortTack Jul 2022 #2

I actually do hope he will primary him if Biden decides to run again. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #9

I'm with ya! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #11

Thanks, my friend! Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #12

President Biden has done a GREAT job! Stop bashing him PortTack Jul 2022 #15

Just between you and me... my dream ticket.... LakeArenal Jul 2022 #39

That would work for me either way. Magoo48 Jul 2022 #129

He'll be 82 in 2024. He said he may not run for re-election. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2022 #62

Biden is doing a great job w/ what he's got to work with.. Deuxcents Jul 2022 #95

+1. n/t jaysunb Jul 2022 #98

Bash--to strike something or criticize harshly. Magoo48 Jul 2022 #124

I would be the last person to bash Joe Biden... Handler Jul 2022 #146

He has already said he will not primary Biden, should Biden choose to run for a second term. nt GoCubsGo Jul 2022 #16

Good..it's not that I don't like Newsom..he will one day make a great president. PortTack Jul 2022 #18

Yep, and he's smart enough to know it would be a disaster, too. GoCubsGo Jul 2022 #20

Exactly! PortTack Jul 2022 #21

I trust Biden to be the first one to tell us Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #27

100% THIS relayerbob Jul 2022 #41

Yes Indeed! calimary Jul 2022 #59

Bingo! inthewind21 Jul 2022 #172

DISASTER! stopdiggin Jul 2022 #131

This! Wake up...or we will lose PortTack Jul 2022 #139

It appears inthewind21 Jul 2022 #173

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Jul 2022 #53

He will lose the primary...and we will lose the seat and Newsome will forever branded as the one Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #56

Beg to disagree. As Robert Reich says, the media narrative (corporate owned) PatrickforB Jul 2022 #72

It doesn't change the fact that the states we need are not progressive and we need them to win. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #75

I agree with this. DashOneBravo Jul 2022 #122

Any Democrat does well on the coasts...as the people have a brain...but inbetween it Alabama Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #133

LOL I have gotten 6 emails from the Justice Democrats and affiliates over the last 4 days LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #81

I suspect it was the media mainly 'pushing' de-fund the police. PatrickforB Jul 2022 #93

Robert Reich is a fucking idiot who can't count votes...we would lose the midwest...we cant Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #57

We can't afford to be divided in the next big election. calimary Jul 2022 #60

Exactly mvd Jul 2022 #92

That is what I don't get...we can look at the map of how Biden won and how Obama won...and Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #114

VERY well worth watching. With ANY AND ALL of these pols calimary Jul 2022 #126

I like him too but I just don't think he can win the states we need...time will tell. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #130

Yeah. I'll be watching with interest, also. calimary Jul 2022 #164

I don't think 18 or 19 year olds will vote much...my kids were raised with politics..they went out Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #165

Seems to me they do grow up and into at least some participation. calimary Jul 2022 #167

Newsom will not pull a Ted Kennedy and split the party. madinmaryland Jul 2022 #68

I don't think he will either and I do not consider the trolling in Florida an Texas is about Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #115

I agree pfitz59 Jul 2022 #101

Acually inthewind21 Jul 2022 #171

He better not primary Biden...he will lose and he will never be elected president as we will Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #40

"Democrats always lose when someone primaries a sitting president" Polybius Jul 2022 #89

Who gives a damn about Republicans? What I said is true and you know it... And Ford was Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #102

I think you may have misunderstood my post Polybius Jul 2022 #125

I did misunderstand your post. I agree completely. Thanks for your explanation more than I deservedd Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #128

It's all good! Polybius Jul 2022 #138

That is a very good point...and a somewhat surprising footnote in history...thoughts on why? Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #148

Well, in the case of Ted Kennedy, he chose to never run for President again Polybius Jul 2022 #151

I don't know why either. After 92, Bush I was an outcast in the GOP party. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #153

Kennedy did not run again because DemocraticPatriot Jul 2022 #183

I can't imagine him primarying Biden. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #159

I hope he runs! Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #3

We need a candidate that can win the rustbelt in 24. That would be Biden...maybe eventually Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #42

Are inthewind21 Jul 2022 #174

Huh? Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #181

Yeah musclecar6 Jul 2022 #4

Yes! Lunabell Jul 2022 #5

What he does while satisfying to me as a progressive...won't help with a presidential run... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #45

He did a wonderful job with that gun law that was signed today. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #6

Yes he did ..ppl are forgetting he has a supermajority and isn't fighting an uphill battle PortTack Jul 2022 #22

There is no need to qualify it like that. It's a brilliant idea. Others may want to take note. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #47

but it DOES require that qualification stopdiggin Jul 2022 #137

Indeed! PortTack Jul 2022 #141

I wonder if and/or how Joe will be affected by cilla4progress Jul 2022 #7

I would love pinkstarburst Jul 2022 #13

Curious why you support Buttigieg? nbsmom Jul 2022 #157

For me, it's intelligence pinkstarburst Jul 2022 #168

He is the best communicator we have, he is hyper intelligent, plus is cool-headed under attack. Celerity Jul 2022 #185

Biden said he will run in fact...and he is our best shot. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #46

Joe has said that he WILL run again, DemocraticPatriot Jul 2022 #184

Yes, I agree. Control-Z Jul 2022 #8

I am. boston bean Jul 2022 #10

Love to see a Newsom / Buttigieg ticket for 2024. 634-5789 Jul 2022 #14

I doubt Republican candidates would debate them. JanMichael Jul 2022 #26

yeah sure feels like he's thinking of runnnig for president..... Takket Jul 2022 #17

...and beware of tone arguments, and who's making them. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2022 #19

I'd vote for him any day budkin Jul 2022 #23

Agree! K and R Quixote1818 Jul 2022 #24

+1 -K&R!! onetexan Jul 2022 #74

I'd like to see the democratic governors of Oregon and Washington join him. IcyPeas Jul 2022 #25

The Cali ticket - Kamala & Newsome? AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #28

I don't think that's possible radical noodle Jul 2022 #37

Sure, if we want to lose out on 55 electoral votes. nt Tommy Carcetti Jul 2022 #38

It would be like Dukakis..I expect we would lose the midwest and likely Virginia and Georgia. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #48

K&R spanone Jul 2022 #29

Nope...we still need the rustbelt...Obama had Biden...Newsom would have great difficulty Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #30

The Obama coalition won those states. jaysunb Jul 2022 #32

Obama was from Illinois and He had Biden...California is different. Newsome would lose the Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #36

There's always Tim Ryan. Nt jaysunb Jul 2022 #44

If Tim Ryan makes it to the Senate, we need him in the Senate...DeWine would appoint a GOP. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #49

I will never count on new voters...they never show up...just ask Bernie about that. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #156

They did inthewind21 Jul 2022 #175

He brings much needed energy to the fight. jalan48 Jul 2022 #31

We need votes not energy and he would have great difficulty. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #51

He'd have a hard time in the same midwest states that Obama won. progressoid Jul 2022 #33

Our best bet is for Biden to run in 24 and run someone like Fetterman in 28. See map. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #34

I like and support Fetterman but he won't win middle America relayerbob Jul 2022 #54

Yes he would...he is from a rustbelt state...ones we must have and he can win Independents and Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #65

Well, Fetterman is not going to be the guy, either way relayerbob Jul 2022 #67

You underestimate him...he was amazing as a Lieutenent governor and would be a great Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #70

I will remind you of that a few years from now... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #76

Feel free relayerbob Jul 2022 #83

He is a progressive on issues that are popular AZProgressive Jul 2022 #78

I'm not suggesting a moderate is a better candidate relayerbob Jul 2022 #82

I'm not a big Fetterman fan AZProgressive Jul 2022 #84

Actaully I rather like him relayerbob Jul 2022 #86

A-fib is easily controlled so no...and except for medical you have given no reason why Fetterman Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #103

Since I've repeatedly said I DO like him relayerbob Jul 2022 #109

Well you have never said why he won't win? Just that he won't win...I can I evaluate your opinion Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #116

Well, for starters relayerbob Jul 2022 #134

Newsom is extremely liberal ...I like, that but he would lose for the same reasons that Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #140

I have equal like for Newsom and for Fetterman, but ... relayerbob Jul 2022 #144

Ok then, fair enough. I was under the (clearly) mistaken impression that we were talking 28. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #145

Fair enough relayerbob Jul 2022 #149

As I said he is only progressive on issues that are popular AZProgressive Jul 2022 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author relayerbob Jul 2022 #135

Why would he not win and why would he not run? Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #117

Those states you label tossups (especially Texas) will all go to Republicans Polybius Jul 2022 #90

The toss ups were put there by the site and don't count in the Democratic totals... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #100

That I agree with, even though I really like Gavin Polybius Jul 2022 #123

I agree although I think a primary could go either way depending on who runs... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #132

It might depend on who gets the Republican nomination Polybius Jul 2022 #142

I think the GOP would win in that case...and consider...it is two white guys...not a good look Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #147

Perhaps replace Pete with Booker Polybius Jul 2022 #150

It would be epic...but I fear an epic loss. Although someday it may be possible. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #155

He's got charisma and knows how to take it to the Republicans. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #35

He will not be able to move to the middle, and we will lose. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #104

Newsom can move to the middle, like he is now with his "Money back in your pockets" tax refunds. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #158

I will happily vote for him relayerbob Jul 2022 #43

He is way too smart for that. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #52

I know relayerbob Jul 2022 #55

And Trump will release the gargoyle (Guilfoil sp?) masmdu Jul 2022 #50

And everyone can see how far she has fallen since her divorce from him. gldstwmn Jul 2022 #61

And it's not hard to do in the most superficial sense, either. calimary Jul 2022 #58

😆 🤣 nt jaysunb Jul 2022 #64

For all his recent bold progressive actions, I get bad vibes about him Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #63

I kind of like him. I just don't think he has a prayer of winning the election...in fact I doubt he Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #66

Yeah, Fetterman's progressive populism seems like a winning formula Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #79

We had a campaign thingy...I missed a couple becuase I was in the hospital with Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #107

Yikes...glad you're feeling better. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #119

I am thanks...one day at a time...I also had a wicked sinus infectin which the other crap masked Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #143

I live in CA and also think there moonscape Jul 2022 #77

I'm interested, but winning in CA is not the same as winning in the US SYFROYH Jul 2022 #91

What a pant load. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #121

You know, I bet he does run. Time will tell what Biden decides to do. n/t PatrickforB Jul 2022 #69

I do not believe Newsom is a stupid man and there are perils to primarying a sitting president Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #108

Newsom has said more than once, he will not run assuming Biden runs. I do not believe Newsom Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #154

Ad in Florida Frances Jul 2022 #71

They do inthewind21 Jul 2022 #176

It's pretty clear he's setting himself up to run if/when Joe is done. n/t TygrBright Jul 2022 #73

would Gavin Newsom do without his Democratic controlled legislature? bigtree Jul 2022 #80

Nah. He's a pretty good pol. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #88

the op has him running for president bigtree Jul 2022 #96

I didn't suggest or imply he was "running " for anything. Nt jaysunb Jul 2022 #99

No, he won't win the states we need. The kind of talk he is engaging with now will not help in Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #105

Can I have the next powerball numbers? BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #120

You don't need a fortune teller...review the last elections that we won and the states that led to Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #136

California Gov. Gavin Newsom goes after Abbott in Texas on guns and abortion LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2022 #85

Texas and Florida have been the two main states... Xolodno Jul 2022 #87

I don't understand how what he is saying will help us get more votes. Maybe I am missing Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #106

I'm pissed at Newsom right now but still have a huge amount of respect for him ripcord Jul 2022 #94

Moxie & spunk work for me! UTUSN Jul 2022 #97

Two Californians I like in 2024 - Newsom and Katie Porter Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2022 #110

I like Biden fine if his health holds DFW Jul 2022 #111

I like Newsom, however, dlk Jul 2022 #113

Yeah, I'm liking Newsom more and more every day! ananda Jul 2022 #118

I like Newsom stopdiggin Jul 2022 #127

I was thinking the same thing. True Blue American Jul 2022 #152

I would absolutely vote for him for POTUS Quanto Magnus Jul 2022 #160

What happens to VP Harris? colorado_ufo Jul 2022 #161

I agree pressbox69 Jul 2022 #163

If Biden chooses not to run pinkstarburst Jul 2022 #169

No, he will stay it of it. Not a chance he endorses and pushes hard for Harris in the primaries. Celerity Jul 2022 #186

I've kept my eye on that cutie since he was Mayor of San Francisco William769 Jul 2022 #162

And would have a lock on Californias 54 electoral votes fescuerescue Jul 2022 #170

Really inthewind21 Jul 2022 #178

So it may actually be a net loss then fescuerescue Jul 2022 #182

Sherrod Brown is pretty much the only Dem who would have a shot at wining Ohio. Even Biden Celerity Jul 2022 #187

Yes! Gavin is awesome and he'd make a great president! Initech Jul 2022 #177

So inthewind21 Jul 2022 #179

If Biden decides not to run, Gavin is actually the candidate I would like to see run... SKKY Jul 2022 #180