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107. She's a very smart woman and entirely qualified, but the populace that doesn't follow politics/news

Sat Jul 23, 2022, 02:07 PM

Jul 2022

as we do see her in a very different light. Just my opinion, but she seems to be a victim of the Hillary curse in that she isn't seen as very friendly or genuine. If she had been viewed differently, she wouldn't have been voted off the island so early the last time around. Joe picked her for Veep because of her intellect and skill set, but that doesn't mean she's a shoo-in the next time there's an opening. Trump is probably the best example of this phenomenon. Totally unqualified - a downright blithering idiot - but he's somehow viewed by a majority of voters back in 2016 as the guy they want to have a beer with even though he wouldn't even let them into Mar-a-Grifto to clean the toilets. If he hadn't been such a total fuck up, Joe wouldn't have beat him in 2020. Sorry to say, we live in a world where celebrity seems to be the most important factor to a large chunk of the people. Think Herschel "Blithering Idiot" Walker.

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Why is Kamala Harris passed over in discussions about presidential possibilities? [View all] bigtree Jul 2022 OP

Sexism and racism, IMO mcar Jul 2022 #1

Perhaps some, but not the majority Polybius Jul 2022 #9

Warren and Booker also didn't do well JI7 Jul 2022 #126

The people who reject her SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #27

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Jul 2022 #61

And she's hurt by the low popularity of the current President, even though pnwmom Jul 2022 #92

She is held to an entirely different standard than her predecessors mcar Jul 2022 #108

i tend to dismiss these polls as being anywhere near accurate samnsara Jul 2022 #143

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #146

More sexism imo, especially here. BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #123

BAM! MOMFUDSKI Jul 2022 #124

I know. Ugh. cilla4progress Jul 2022 #2

Because she's a woman. Look what they did to Hillary. Walleye Jul 2022 #3

Were talking about the primary, not the general Zeitghost Jul 2022 #38

Oh I think she should be the top pick too but I don't think she would win the general election Walleye Jul 2022 #42

Didn't Hillary have trouble with one Dem primary? There was this guy named Obama... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2022 #119

All part of the master plan... Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #4

Bear! This is my theory also. hydrolastic Jul 2022 #26

Because she is a strong, competent woman. They will Hillary her. 🤬 SheltieLover Jul 2022 #5

Thanks,that's what I was trying to say. Walleye Jul 2022 #43

Yw SheltieLover Jul 2022 #45

Remember, we only won the right to vote 100 years ago After my mom was born Walleye Jul 2022 #47

I wonder how long till SCOTUS tries to revokd SheltieLover Jul 2022 #95

Most likely Rebl2 Jul 2022 #83

Pretty much guaranteed SheltieLover Jul 2022 #96

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #148

For my part at this point all I care about is winning, not the identity politics involved Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #6

In the immortal words of Vince Lombardi "Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing." comradebillyboy Jul 2022 #29

We can't afford to lose this next potus. So, I'm afraid, even though I really like her, lindysalsagal Jul 2022 #188

Identity politics is the dismissive term for what we used to call 'civil rights' and 'equality'. MrsCoffee Jul 2022 #135

I meant I don't care about which gender or skin color the people have Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #180

Because she did abysmal in 2020 Polybius Jul 2022 #7

but we're seeing calls for losing candidates like Buttigieg to run bigtree Jul 2022 #19

Buttigieg did far better than Harris pinkstarburst Jul 2022 #24

True but he won one caucus state...and we should not even have caucuses anywhere. I doubt Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #132

He won a caucus state and had no AA support. I like the guy but he be can't be our nominee maybe Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #184

Pete was a small town Mayor who did surprisingly well in 2020, much better than Harris Polybius Jul 2022 #39

VP Harris isn't? MichMan Jul 2022 #48

Nope Polybius Jul 2022 #67

'a phenomenal speaker, and very likeable' elleng Jul 2022 #55

And VP Harris isn't? mcar Jul 2022 #79

Nope Polybius Jul 2022 #170

Sure. Whatever. mcar Jul 2022 #171

Suddenly, the opposite of a populist is a phenomenal speaker and likable. betsuni Jul 2022 #177

I would not support Buttigieg in a primary either...I wish this country was ready to elect a Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #52

We are? The Revolution Jul 2022 #159

This is the way I am leaning. thatdemguy Jul 2022 #56

She was less qualified and you know that or should know that uponit7771 Jul 2022 #63

I love her, supported her, and I can admit she ran a bad campaign. Started with her bumper sticker ZonkerHarris Jul 2022 #94

Because kcr Jul 2022 #8

This. mcar Jul 2022 #80

+++++++++++++ JI7 Jul 2022 #128

I think DakotaSnow Jul 2022 #10

We have a obnoxiousdrunk Jul 2022 #11

someone who has never been elected to a national office bigtree Jul 2022 #23

"I want a woman President" mcar Jul 2022 #81

That reminds me of a candidate named "Palin" JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2022 #118

Are you comparing VP Harris to Sarah Palin? mcar Jul 2022 #120

Stacy Abrams is a wonderful person but she needs to show that comradebillyboy Jul 2022 #32

Stacy ABRAHAM? BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #149

Can't recall when a Democratic VP wasn't considered the heir apparent to the presidency after two te karynnj Jul 2022 #12

I do think in 2016 he needed that time off. xmas74 Jul 2022 #36

True, but it was clear from when HRC stepped down after one term as SoS, that she was the clear karynnj Jul 2022 #44

I think the filter of race should be excluded from any discussions, on both sides bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #13

Agree DakotaSnow Jul 2022 #22

One simply cannot ignore the fact that race will be a factor in comradebillyboy Jul 2022 #35

That will be a great message to our African American base MichMan Jul 2022 #50

The base didn't choose her in 2020. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #53

Spot on. BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #152

I know same here...there was a lukewarm response here in Cleveland to Ms. Harris. I was a Biden Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #168

Because when she ran in 2020 it was a non event? BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #14

I wrote as much praise for him as a resident of Maryland can possibly muster bigtree Jul 2022 #28

Whatever. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #33

no truth in that bigtree Jul 2022 #40

LOL. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #76

no, California has had a Democratic majority, with a few exceptions, for decades bigtree Jul 2022 #174

+ 10000 I like Newsome but don't see him winning the presidency. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #185

Not that is dislike her Crazyleftie Jul 2022 #15

I would love a woman president. I'm a fan moonscape Jul 2022 #16

+1 lindysalsagal Jul 2022 #186

7th place finish in 2020 when she fell like a rock in the polls? BeyondGeography Jul 2022 #17

because some unwell people think she "cackles." Like my next door neighbor. CTyankee Jul 2022 #18

Two reasons. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2022 #20

She did not do well in 2020 pinkstarburst Jul 2022 #21

For me, it is not race or gender w/ VP Harris Deuxcents Jul 2022 #25

Because her approval rating is lower than Biden's? krawhitham Jul 2022 #30

I don't think she is. H2O Man Jul 2022 #31

She'll have a chance but the nomination shouldn't just be handed to her Buckeyeblue Jul 2022 #34

That's fair. H2O Man Jul 2022 #154

She never managed to connect with people Buckeyeblue Jul 2022 #182

I was talking with a democratic friend who said, "I hope Biden recovers from Covid, otherwise we liberal_mama Jul 2022 #37

Yes, Mark my words, the nominee would be a man Walleye Jul 2022 #46

How about Harris / Newsom 2028? P.C.L.D. Jul 2022 #41

No, that is a losing ticket. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #51

Out of laziness, allow me to quote Wikipedia: Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #59

Two Californians? Hekate Jul 2022 #70

I don't think she can win myself...I like her but the GOP have really worked her over and Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #49

+1 lindysalsagal Jul 2022 #187

People seem to forget one important thing Andy823 Jul 2022 #54

Because VP Harris is the ONEwho has to be beat -- by hostiles on right and left Hortensis Jul 2022 #57

Because VP Harris is the ONEwho has to be beat -- by hostiles on right and left Hortensis Jul 2022 #58

2016 scared us off anyone with a hint of diversity as President. Lancero Jul 2022 #60

Sexism and racism, but mostly sexism. It bothers me to see her disappeared like that. nt Hekate Jul 2022 #62

+1, it took Benedict Donald getting help from the Russians to beat her by a hair in 2016 uponit7771 Jul 2022 #64

She had the chance to take down Manchin and didn't. She had cbabe Jul 2022 #65

? bigtree Jul 2022 #66

Google is your friend. CA AG... cbabe Jul 2022 #68

no, Google's not my friend bigtree Jul 2022 #69

Okey doke. What search engine is good for you? Also mnuchin. My bad. cbabe Jul 2022 #72

'the Intercept's report' bigtree Jul 2022 #75

Please explain...? Not the intercept. Also if you don't like the source, what source is ok with you? cbabe Jul 2022 #78

Yup...not a credible source. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #129

See post 78 cbabe Jul 2022 #158

Really...it is that same story...shopped around to various outlets...again not credible. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #164

You should stop trying to smear VP Harris...she is a Democrat and this is Democratic underground. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #165

See post 65. Not a challenge but a personal concern. As others have posted. Done for now. cbabe Jul 2022 #172

I know about the Catholic church victims but how could she take down Manchin? Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #127

See post 72 cbabe Jul 2022 #157

Oh please, she was a lackluster candidate... Lulu Latech Jul 2022 #71

And yet President Biden Andy823 Jul 2022 #74

Perhaps she brought other advantages and skills to the table Lulu Latech Jul 2022 #77

I would think that Andy823 Jul 2022 #91

Capable Lulu Latech Jul 2022 #109

There are political considerations that sometimes prevent a presidential nominee from choosing his Midwestern Democrat Jul 2022 #140

There was a need to pick a Black woman as VP....after South Carolina and the amazing support Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #130

Because Clyburn Wavelight Jul 2022 #113

It doesn't limit the choices at all. There were many good black women JI7 Jul 2022 #133

I would've been fine with Demings Wavelight Jul 2022 #193

Sexism, misogyny and racism. niyad Jul 2022 #73

3 reasons Retrograde Jul 2022 #82

She should and will be in the discussion when the time comes. jalan48 Jul 2022 #84

Def not out of my mind as a great candidate relayerbob Jul 2022 #85

america llashram Jul 2022 #86

Had the same thoughts. rogue emissary Jul 2022 #87

American cultural bias against women runs deep dlk Jul 2022 #88

Don't fall for the false debate about who will be the next person to run for POTUS as a democrat ... Botany Jul 2022 #89

EXACTLY ! nt. Andy823 Jul 2022 #97

Why people fall for this crap I don't know. I would swear that it smells Russian/Fox News to me. Botany Jul 2022 #106

Spot on. Thank you! crickets Jul 2022 #141

+1 Lots of good Democrats focus on 22' first SunImp Jul 2022 #144

I would gladly vote for Harris. I do share some others' concerns ramen Jul 2022 #90

I like Harris well enough, with some of the reservations already mentioned. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #93

I will always vote for who I think has the best chance to win a primary AlexSFCA Jul 2022 #98

It could be racism and misogyny, or... LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #99

It depends on who you ask. I don't overlook her at all. I see people reacting to ancianita Jul 2022 #100

Personally, I'd like FDR to come back from the grave. James48 Jul 2022 #101

Because the numbers and the history make white males more "electable". And they think we NEED that. TygrBright Jul 2022 #102

In a Nutshell DET Jul 2022 #138

She's back in a primary with others if Biden doesn't run gulliver Jul 2022 #103

Not my first choice for president, but I would vote for her. Emile Jul 2022 #104

Because she polls at under 40% approval TheFarseer Jul 2022 #105

She's a very smart woman and entirely qualified, but the populace that doesn't follow politics/news Vinca Jul 2022 #107

I can think of a few reasons Raven123 Jul 2022 #110

I remember after getting selected as VP, she went on Colbert and was asked about that prior attack Midwestern Democrat Jul 2022 #122

How is she being passed over? BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #111

I got yelled at when I called this debate Sympthsical Jul 2022 #112

It is indeed... BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #150

For whatever reason Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #114

Because it's ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #115

She is following in the long tradition of VP's pressbox69 Jul 2022 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 2022 #117

Joe Biden will be the Democratic nominee in 2024 and Kamala Harris will be on the ticket as VP. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #121

If Joe bails, Kamala will come out swinging. SYFROYH Jul 2022 #125

If Joe bails in 24, we are fucked six ways to Sunday. We need Joe to run as an incumbent... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #134

I hear you. Elessar Zappa Jul 2022 #131

Read her book. ificandream Jul 2022 #136

You know when people say "I'd be open to a woman as president, but not THAT woman"? Bettie Jul 2022 #137

Elizabeth Warren is the best evidence, went from being beloved progressive hero that so many betsuni Jul 2022 #153

And if you wait Bettie Jul 2022 #160

truth jcgoldie Jul 2022 #161

Most admired woman for 17 years, approval rating at nearly 70%. But suddenly Hillary was unlikeable. betsuni Jul 2022 #178

I still voted for her Tree Lady Jul 2022 #179

that and because they want some cute white man DonCoquixote Jul 2022 #139

joe will.. run in 2 years and joe will win IF we stay united samnsara Jul 2022 #142

Two reasons. Maru Kitteh Jul 2022 #145

Harris is smart, competent, attractive, charismatic, progressive, and has a compelling life story. betsuni Jul 2022 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 2022 #151

You're trying too hard. betsuni Jul 2022 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 2022 #192

It should be sadly obvious... no point going there, really.. it's what we're all effin dealing msfiddlestix Jul 2022 #156

I don't agree. KentuckyWoman Jul 2022 #162

I'll be the outlier. I think Pritzker should be considered before Kamala Arazi Jul 2022 #163

Because she's VP now, and, not in the spotlight. Oneironaut Jul 2022 #166

I would not support her by default brooklynite Jul 2022 #167

I would vote for her in the election but not the primary PurgedVoter Jul 2022 #169

My sentiments exactly. Once decided, our presidential nominee gets my support and vote, period. DFW Jul 2022 #173

If I was Al Franken AZProgressive Jul 2022 #175

I know Al well enough to say that he doesn't blame Gillibrand for his actions DFW Jul 2022 #176

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #181

I blame her and will never forgive her. No presidency for her ever. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #183

Pence newdayneeded Jul 2022 #189

I'm amazed that it's okay here to call Democrats racist and sexist... brooklynite Jul 2022 #190

Women who inspire me 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #191

I noticed that too and I find it absolutely ridiculous Heather MC Jul 2022 #194