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138. In a Nutshell

Sat Jul 23, 2022, 05:03 PM

Jul 2022

Well said - and with a nice touch of humor. That’s exactly the calculus that I and many other diehard Democrats are (or will be) going through. I have wanted a woman to be elected President for ages, but it won’t happen in the current climate. Same with a person of color. Personally, I hope Biden decides to run again; he’s the safest choice right now, and we can’t afford to lose with so much at stake.

I used to think that Trump was so obviously mentally and morally defective, so completely loathsome a human being, that there was no way that he could possibly win. And look what happened. I had no idea that there were so many awful people in this country who would not only vote for but admire someone like him.

“…they have not yet re-run the numbers…to account for the changing demographics…” If you or anyone else can make a convincing case that a woman, a person of color, or an LGBTQ individual can be a viable candidate in a country that is increasingly reverting to the dark ages, then please do so; we’d love to be proven wrong.

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Why is Kamala Harris passed over in discussions about presidential possibilities? [View all] bigtree Jul 2022 OP

Sexism and racism, IMO mcar Jul 2022 #1

Perhaps some, but not the majority Polybius Jul 2022 #9

Warren and Booker also didn't do well JI7 Jul 2022 #126

The people who reject her SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #27

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Jul 2022 #61

And she's hurt by the low popularity of the current President, even though pnwmom Jul 2022 #92

She is held to an entirely different standard than her predecessors mcar Jul 2022 #108

i tend to dismiss these polls as being anywhere near accurate samnsara Jul 2022 #143

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #146

More sexism imo, especially here. BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #123

BAM! MOMFUDSKI Jul 2022 #124

I know. Ugh. cilla4progress Jul 2022 #2

Because she's a woman. Look what they did to Hillary. Walleye Jul 2022 #3

Were talking about the primary, not the general Zeitghost Jul 2022 #38

Oh I think she should be the top pick too but I don't think she would win the general election Walleye Jul 2022 #42

Didn't Hillary have trouble with one Dem primary? There was this guy named Obama... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2022 #119

All part of the master plan... Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #4

Bear! This is my theory also. hydrolastic Jul 2022 #26

Because she is a strong, competent woman. They will Hillary her. 🤬 SheltieLover Jul 2022 #5

Thanks,that's what I was trying to say. Walleye Jul 2022 #43

Yw SheltieLover Jul 2022 #45

Remember, we only won the right to vote 100 years ago After my mom was born Walleye Jul 2022 #47

I wonder how long till SCOTUS tries to revokd SheltieLover Jul 2022 #95

Most likely Rebl2 Jul 2022 #83

Pretty much guaranteed SheltieLover Jul 2022 #96

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #148

For my part at this point all I care about is winning, not the identity politics involved Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #6

In the immortal words of Vince Lombardi "Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing." comradebillyboy Jul 2022 #29

We can't afford to lose this next potus. So, I'm afraid, even though I really like her, lindysalsagal Jul 2022 #188

Identity politics is the dismissive term for what we used to call 'civil rights' and 'equality'. MrsCoffee Jul 2022 #135

I meant I don't care about which gender or skin color the people have Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #180

Because she did abysmal in 2020 Polybius Jul 2022 #7

but we're seeing calls for losing candidates like Buttigieg to run bigtree Jul 2022 #19

Buttigieg did far better than Harris pinkstarburst Jul 2022 #24

True but he won one caucus state...and we should not even have caucuses anywhere. I doubt Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #132

He won a caucus state and had no AA support. I like the guy but he be can't be our nominee maybe Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #184

Pete was a small town Mayor who did surprisingly well in 2020, much better than Harris Polybius Jul 2022 #39

VP Harris isn't? MichMan Jul 2022 #48

Nope Polybius Jul 2022 #67

'a phenomenal speaker, and very likeable' elleng Jul 2022 #55

And VP Harris isn't? mcar Jul 2022 #79

Nope Polybius Jul 2022 #170

Sure. Whatever. mcar Jul 2022 #171

Suddenly, the opposite of a populist is a phenomenal speaker and likable. betsuni Jul 2022 #177

I would not support Buttigieg in a primary either...I wish this country was ready to elect a Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #52

We are? The Revolution Jul 2022 #159

This is the way I am leaning. thatdemguy Jul 2022 #56

She was less qualified and you know that or should know that uponit7771 Jul 2022 #63

I love her, supported her, and I can admit she ran a bad campaign. Started with her bumper sticker ZonkerHarris Jul 2022 #94

Because kcr Jul 2022 #8

This. mcar Jul 2022 #80

+++++++++++++ JI7 Jul 2022 #128

I think DakotaSnow Jul 2022 #10

We have a obnoxiousdrunk Jul 2022 #11

someone who has never been elected to a national office bigtree Jul 2022 #23

"I want a woman President" mcar Jul 2022 #81

That reminds me of a candidate named "Palin" JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2022 #118

Are you comparing VP Harris to Sarah Palin? mcar Jul 2022 #120

Stacy Abrams is a wonderful person but she needs to show that comradebillyboy Jul 2022 #32

Stacy ABRAHAM? BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #149

Can't recall when a Democratic VP wasn't considered the heir apparent to the presidency after two te karynnj Jul 2022 #12

I do think in 2016 he needed that time off. xmas74 Jul 2022 #36

True, but it was clear from when HRC stepped down after one term as SoS, that she was the clear karynnj Jul 2022 #44

I think the filter of race should be excluded from any discussions, on both sides bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #13

Agree DakotaSnow Jul 2022 #22

One simply cannot ignore the fact that race will be a factor in comradebillyboy Jul 2022 #35

That will be a great message to our African American base MichMan Jul 2022 #50

The base didn't choose her in 2020. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #53

Spot on. BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #152

I know same here...there was a lukewarm response here in Cleveland to Ms. Harris. I was a Biden Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #168

Because when she ran in 2020 it was a non event? BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #14

I wrote as much praise for him as a resident of Maryland can possibly muster bigtree Jul 2022 #28

Whatever. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #33

no truth in that bigtree Jul 2022 #40

LOL. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #76

no, California has had a Democratic majority, with a few exceptions, for decades bigtree Jul 2022 #174

+ 10000 I like Newsome but don't see him winning the presidency. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #185

Not that is dislike her Crazyleftie Jul 2022 #15

I would love a woman president. I'm a fan moonscape Jul 2022 #16

+1 lindysalsagal Jul 2022 #186

7th place finish in 2020 when she fell like a rock in the polls? BeyondGeography Jul 2022 #17

because some unwell people think she "cackles." Like my next door neighbor. CTyankee Jul 2022 #18

Two reasons. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2022 #20

She did not do well in 2020 pinkstarburst Jul 2022 #21

For me, it is not race or gender w/ VP Harris Deuxcents Jul 2022 #25

Because her approval rating is lower than Biden's? krawhitham Jul 2022 #30

I don't think she is. H2O Man Jul 2022 #31

She'll have a chance but the nomination shouldn't just be handed to her Buckeyeblue Jul 2022 #34

That's fair. H2O Man Jul 2022 #154

She never managed to connect with people Buckeyeblue Jul 2022 #182

I was talking with a democratic friend who said, "I hope Biden recovers from Covid, otherwise we liberal_mama Jul 2022 #37

Yes, Mark my words, the nominee would be a man Walleye Jul 2022 #46

How about Harris / Newsom 2028? P.C.L.D. Jul 2022 #41

No, that is a losing ticket. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #51

Out of laziness, allow me to quote Wikipedia: Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #59

Two Californians? Hekate Jul 2022 #70

I don't think she can win myself...I like her but the GOP have really worked her over and Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #49

+1 lindysalsagal Jul 2022 #187

People seem to forget one important thing Andy823 Jul 2022 #54

Because VP Harris is the ONEwho has to be beat -- by hostiles on right and left Hortensis Jul 2022 #57

Because VP Harris is the ONEwho has to be beat -- by hostiles on right and left Hortensis Jul 2022 #58

2016 scared us off anyone with a hint of diversity as President. Lancero Jul 2022 #60

Sexism and racism, but mostly sexism. It bothers me to see her disappeared like that. nt Hekate Jul 2022 #62

+1, it took Benedict Donald getting help from the Russians to beat her by a hair in 2016 uponit7771 Jul 2022 #64

She had the chance to take down Manchin and didn't. She had cbabe Jul 2022 #65

? bigtree Jul 2022 #66

Google is your friend. CA AG... cbabe Jul 2022 #68

no, Google's not my friend bigtree Jul 2022 #69

Okey doke. What search engine is good for you? Also mnuchin. My bad. cbabe Jul 2022 #72

'the Intercept's report' bigtree Jul 2022 #75

Please explain...? Not the intercept. Also if you don't like the source, what source is ok with you? cbabe Jul 2022 #78

Yup...not a credible source. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #129

See post 78 cbabe Jul 2022 #158

Really...it is that same story...shopped around to various outlets...again not credible. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #164

You should stop trying to smear VP Harris...she is a Democrat and this is Democratic underground. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #165

See post 65. Not a challenge but a personal concern. As others have posted. Done for now. cbabe Jul 2022 #172

I know about the Catholic church victims but how could she take down Manchin? Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #127

See post 72 cbabe Jul 2022 #157

Oh please, she was a lackluster candidate... Lulu Latech Jul 2022 #71

And yet President Biden Andy823 Jul 2022 #74

Perhaps she brought other advantages and skills to the table Lulu Latech Jul 2022 #77

I would think that Andy823 Jul 2022 #91

Capable Lulu Latech Jul 2022 #109

There are political considerations that sometimes prevent a presidential nominee from choosing his Midwestern Democrat Jul 2022 #140

There was a need to pick a Black woman as VP....after South Carolina and the amazing support Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #130

Because Clyburn Wavelight Jul 2022 #113

It doesn't limit the choices at all. There were many good black women JI7 Jul 2022 #133

I would've been fine with Demings Wavelight Jul 2022 #193

Sexism, misogyny and racism. niyad Jul 2022 #73

3 reasons Retrograde Jul 2022 #82

She should and will be in the discussion when the time comes. jalan48 Jul 2022 #84

Def not out of my mind as a great candidate relayerbob Jul 2022 #85

america llashram Jul 2022 #86

Had the same thoughts. rogue emissary Jul 2022 #87

American cultural bias against women runs deep dlk Jul 2022 #88

Don't fall for the false debate about who will be the next person to run for POTUS as a democrat ... Botany Jul 2022 #89

EXACTLY ! nt. Andy823 Jul 2022 #97

Why people fall for this crap I don't know. I would swear that it smells Russian/Fox News to me. Botany Jul 2022 #106

Spot on. Thank you! crickets Jul 2022 #141

+1 Lots of good Democrats focus on 22' first SunImp Jul 2022 #144

I would gladly vote for Harris. I do share some others' concerns ramen Jul 2022 #90

I like Harris well enough, with some of the reservations already mentioned. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #93

I will always vote for who I think has the best chance to win a primary AlexSFCA Jul 2022 #98

It could be racism and misogyny, or... LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #99

It depends on who you ask. I don't overlook her at all. I see people reacting to ancianita Jul 2022 #100

Personally, I'd like FDR to come back from the grave. James48 Jul 2022 #101

Because the numbers and the history make white males more "electable". And they think we NEED that. TygrBright Jul 2022 #102

In a Nutshell DET Jul 2022 #138

She's back in a primary with others if Biden doesn't run gulliver Jul 2022 #103

Not my first choice for president, but I would vote for her. Emile Jul 2022 #104

Because she polls at under 40% approval TheFarseer Jul 2022 #105

She's a very smart woman and entirely qualified, but the populace that doesn't follow politics/news Vinca Jul 2022 #107

I can think of a few reasons Raven123 Jul 2022 #110

I remember after getting selected as VP, she went on Colbert and was asked about that prior attack Midwestern Democrat Jul 2022 #122

How is she being passed over? BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #111

I got yelled at when I called this debate Sympthsical Jul 2022 #112

It is indeed... BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #150

For whatever reason Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #114

Because it's ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #115

She is following in the long tradition of VP's pressbox69 Jul 2022 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 2022 #117

Joe Biden will be the Democratic nominee in 2024 and Kamala Harris will be on the ticket as VP. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #121

If Joe bails, Kamala will come out swinging. SYFROYH Jul 2022 #125

If Joe bails in 24, we are fucked six ways to Sunday. We need Joe to run as an incumbent... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #134

I hear you. Elessar Zappa Jul 2022 #131

Read her book. ificandream Jul 2022 #136

You know when people say "I'd be open to a woman as president, but not THAT woman"? Bettie Jul 2022 #137

Elizabeth Warren is the best evidence, went from being beloved progressive hero that so many betsuni Jul 2022 #153

And if you wait Bettie Jul 2022 #160

truth jcgoldie Jul 2022 #161

Most admired woman for 17 years, approval rating at nearly 70%. But suddenly Hillary was unlikeable. betsuni Jul 2022 #178

I still voted for her Tree Lady Jul 2022 #179

that and because they want some cute white man DonCoquixote Jul 2022 #139

joe will.. run in 2 years and joe will win IF we stay united samnsara Jul 2022 #142

Two reasons. Maru Kitteh Jul 2022 #145

Harris is smart, competent, attractive, charismatic, progressive, and has a compelling life story. betsuni Jul 2022 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 2022 #151

You're trying too hard. betsuni Jul 2022 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 2022 #192

It should be sadly obvious... no point going there, really.. it's what we're all effin dealing msfiddlestix Jul 2022 #156

I don't agree. KentuckyWoman Jul 2022 #162

I'll be the outlier. I think Pritzker should be considered before Kamala Arazi Jul 2022 #163

Because she's VP now, and, not in the spotlight. Oneironaut Jul 2022 #166

I would not support her by default brooklynite Jul 2022 #167

I would vote for her in the election but not the primary PurgedVoter Jul 2022 #169

My sentiments exactly. Once decided, our presidential nominee gets my support and vote, period. DFW Jul 2022 #173

If I was Al Franken AZProgressive Jul 2022 #175

I know Al well enough to say that he doesn't blame Gillibrand for his actions DFW Jul 2022 #176

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #181

I blame her and will never forgive her. No presidency for her ever. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #183

Pence newdayneeded Jul 2022 #189

I'm amazed that it's okay here to call Democrats racist and sexist... brooklynite Jul 2022 #190

Women who inspire me 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #191

I noticed that too and I find it absolutely ridiculous Heather MC Jul 2022 #194