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In reply to the discussion: "How to deal with bullies", according to my Dad: [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)35. Military say "No plan survives contact with the enemy" but Eisenhower also said
Eisenhower said (paraphrased): "Plans are worthless but planning is everything."
Quote Investigator: In 1950 Dwight Eisenhower wrote a letter to a U.S. diplomat in which he ascribed a military-oriented version of the saying to an anonymous soldier. Emphasis added to excerpts by QI:[1]
. . . I always remember the observation of a very successful soldier who said, Peace-time plans are of no particular value, but peace-time planning is indispensable.
During a speech in November 1957 Eisenhower employed the saying again. He told an anecdote about the maps used during U.S. military training. Maps of the Alsace-Lorraine area of Europe were used during instruction before World War I, but educational reformers decided that the location was not relevant to American forces. So the maps were switched to a new location within the U.S. for planning exercises. A few years later the military was deployed and fighting in the Alsace-Lorraine:[2]
I tell this story to illustrate the truth of the statement I heard long ago in the Army: Plans are worthless, but planning is everything. There is a very great distinction because when you are planning for an emergency you must start with this one thing: the very definition of emergency is that it is unexpected, therefore it is not going to happen the way you are planning.
. . . I always remember the observation of a very successful soldier who said, Peace-time plans are of no particular value, but peace-time planning is indispensable.
During a speech in November 1957 Eisenhower employed the saying again. He told an anecdote about the maps used during U.S. military training. Maps of the Alsace-Lorraine area of Europe were used during instruction before World War I, but educational reformers decided that the location was not relevant to American forces. So the maps were switched to a new location within the U.S. for planning exercises. A few years later the military was deployed and fighting in the Alsace-Lorraine:[2]
I tell this story to illustrate the truth of the statement I heard long ago in the Army: Plans are worthless, but planning is everything. There is a very great distinction because when you are planning for an emergency you must start with this one thing: the very definition of emergency is that it is unexpected, therefore it is not going to happen the way you are planning.
They also mention the first saying:
A thematically similar statement was crafted by Prussian Field Marshal Helmuth von Moltke the Elder in 1871. Here is the original German form together with an English translation:[3]
Kein Operationsplan reicht mit einiger Sicherheit über das erste Zusammentreffen mit der feindlichen Hauptmacht hinaus.
No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first encounter with the main enemy forces.
Kein Operationsplan reicht mit einiger Sicherheit über das erste Zusammentreffen mit der feindlichen Hauptmacht hinaus.
No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first encounter with the main enemy forces.
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I ever did that either but that is one of things suggested for big attackers...I bet it works...did
Demsrule86
Jul 2022
#18
As someone who HAS been punched in the mouth---more than once or twice---I have
Atticus
Jul 2022
#13
Military say "No plan survives contact with the enemy" but Eisenhower also said
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2022
#35
Bullying today has grown to pandemic proportions & in severity. Symptomatic of RW "fuck yer feelings
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2022
#36
Interesting you should say that about your parents, because my parents gave a similar
Martin68
Jul 2022
#59
Your Dad sounds like my Dad...only on number four he would have added pick up a two by four
Demsrule86
Jul 2022
#15
"---taking A punch---"? Another of Dad's guides was "Never hit someone just once".
Atticus
Jul 2022
#28
When I was young I was very small and the bullies came a calling. I learned a few things.
fightforfreedom
Jul 2022
#26
#1 and #2 If confronted, laugh at them or ridicule-then walk away. #3) If struck-go to
Pepsidog
Jul 2022
#29
And if you feel you haven't any options and give the first punch make it count.
flying_wahini
Jul 2022
#42
LOL. That's in the Survival Guide. Let the guy hit you first and he'll probably stick you in the gut
Martin68
Jul 2022
#55
i had a brother + uncles. if needed i hit back as a kid. ok, i think i whallopped a kid once.
pansypoo53219
Jul 2022
#56