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magical thyme

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66. Bodies that they are pulling from the water now

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:54 AM

Nov 2012

are people who died during the storm, not due to being left to die. And as others have pointed out, the death count is rising as bodies of the missing are found.

We already have seen first hand accounts of survivors who waited until the height of the storm to try to evacuate. There is no telling how many people didn't evacuate until their homes were flooding or burning, and winds were 90mph. Some of those will have made it; many will not have made it out.

And yes, fires are a foreseeable problem in a storm. Along with the usual risks, lack of electricity means people burning candles, downed power lines and transformers exploding means sparks being thrown, power surges can start electrical fires, and so on. With fire trucks unable to get through the flooding, you are shit out of luck. And if your house is in a tightly spaced group, then the odds of your house burning down go up substantially.

This was not Katrina; poverty and lack of shelter to evac to was not an issue or legitimate reason.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 OP

Sounds like BS to me. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #1

As a member of Occupy, I am highly aware of our media lying through both omission and commission. Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #5

Still not buying it. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #15

Okay, disbelieve me and those reporting from the Island. Peace. Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #16

Let me guess--FEMA executed 5,000 citizens in the swamps of Staten Island? msanthrope Nov 2012 #35

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #81

Oh, I didn't make the claim--I merely noted that Ms. McKinney made such a claim msanthrope Nov 2012 #109

Bodies that they are pulling from the water now magical thyme Nov 2012 #66

EMT told me 1/3 of injuries/deaths result from a disaster Atman Nov 2012 #77

And people ALWAYS go out and take pictures or look at damage obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #85

Your friend in Central Florida hasn't had to deal with storm surge. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #95

Well yes actually, he has. Atman Nov 2012 #117

Then thats East Coast. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #118

Not in Mississippi during Katrina. intheflow Nov 2012 #154

The death toll on Staten Island was nearly half of the total NY death toll. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #14

No question there were a lot of deaths on SI. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #17

+1. People are not dying all over Staten Island. DevonRex Nov 2012 #18

That's not why they died. Falling trees have killed more people than anything else. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #21

15 of 20 bodies were found in the evacuation zone. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #64

+1 This isn't NOLA during Katrina obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #87

The death toll is currently 109. Which includes the two bodies found on Staten Island today. Lone_Star_Dem Nov 2012 #19

Most of the damage was along the shore. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #96

+1 If there's one thing media does, it's dramatize and report on EVERYTHING. Lot of air time to fill Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #58

I agree -- and, I've been through worse hurricanes obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #84

Media not reporting on a full on disaster in a somewhat well to do area? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #2

One thing they may have to look at is relocating people to a safe place until the basic services can PATXgirl Nov 2012 #3

We can't relocate our cops and firemen out of state. aquart Nov 2012 #44

The media is not going to avoid reporting on what would be a huge story. JVS Nov 2012 #4

Janet Napolitano was there today, it's not like there are being ignored flamingdem Nov 2012 #6

They are of course on-scene, but are not reporting the depth of issues which could be demoralizing Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #8

"Or something"? You do know who lives on Staten Island, right? aquart Nov 2012 #42

And almost all of them are rethugs. speedoo Nov 2012 #51

You are so biased that it makes me head spin. conscious awareness Nov 2012 #105

Not gonna waste my time responding to you. speedoo Nov 2012 #122

They're already gone, again...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #142

And what if all of them are republicans? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #111

My point is, with Staten Island dominated by rethugs... speedoo Nov 2012 #124

And my point is that I REALLY DO NOT GIVE A DAMN if every resident nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #129

Here's why I care about who the Staten Island residents are: speedoo Nov 2012 #133

I am very much limiting it to disaster response nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #135

Obviously. Nt speedoo Nov 2012 #136

And I should not? I mean all is normal in SI right? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #138

+111111 cliffordu Nov 2012 #54

I know some Mafioso used to have homes there also. n/t monmouth Nov 2012 #71

That's an excellent point obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #89

The SI Borough President says the Red Cross's response has been a disgrace. Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #104

Of course... nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #106

I thought you were a reporter? Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #121

Yes, it happens every time nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #125

You made the knee jerk assumption that these suffering people merely engaged in Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #126

You know, this happens every time nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #128

Actually, Staten Island has more registered Democrats than Republicans. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #120

It was sarcasm. Sorry for not using the emoticon. Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #153

Thank you, Fire Walk With Me wundermaus Nov 2012 #7

4 Red Cross trucks, several FEMA officials, and Napolitano went there today... Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #9

Citizen channels have been carrying direct information since day 1, and still are. Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #13

And police scanners have been domestic disputes. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #101

my neighbor, a Glenn Beck devotee is part of that "citizen channel" progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #145

Good lord. Janet Napolitano was there today. TODAY. DevonRex Nov 2012 #10

Exactly. LisaL Nov 2012 #12

Right -- Staten Island isn't some isolated badwater obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #90

Meh, I posted a thread today about what fema has been doing, gets little love here The Straight Story Nov 2012 #11

Bullshit story railsback Nov 2012 #20

LOL @ doing support work on twitter Egnever Nov 2012 #22

My reaction exactly. Come on... cui bono Nov 2012 #23

"Hyperbole". Exactly. And this is why Occupy has been a huge failure. If this is how.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #28

Not to mention this is an obvious attempt to co-opt a tragedy for one's own use. randome Nov 2012 #72

Getting people to help people is exactly what they are doing. Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #119

No one's faulting anyone for trying to help. randome Nov 2012 #130

Here you go... Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #134

Okay. Good for them for helping. randome Nov 2012 #137

It's pretty bad but I don't believe that people are dying all over the place. Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #141

The same reason Jill Stein gets arrested 10 times a week. Publicity. The fact that Occupy.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #127

+1 Spot on. FSogol Nov 2012 #102

Really! DemocratsForProgress Nov 2012 #24

funny during arab spring DUers were totally on-board with the twitter support work. i guess HiPointDem Nov 2012 #27

Oh yes this is a direct corollary to Arab Spring. ToxMarz Nov 2012 #29

i didn't say this disaster was a direct corollary to arab spring. i said the idea of using social HiPointDem Nov 2012 #30

What information, precisely, is not being reported about Staten Island? This sounds like McKinney msanthrope Nov 2012 #34

It's one thing to use Twitter to organize etc... cui bono Nov 2012 #86

i direct you to this: HiPointDem Nov 2012 #110

okay... cui bono Nov 2012 #115

that *is* 'organizing'. & the poster is helping to do it. more than some (most?) of the folks HiPointDem Nov 2012 #116

Goddamn it! He's is disabled! Tweeting and retweeting important information that Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #123

I'm disabled. I =do= sit at it all day, when I'm not asleep from exhaustion. Especially right now. Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #151

Yeah. Mocking a disabled man who is contributing the the best of his Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #103

Twittering on Twitter is not "support work." That's an insult to every single Red Cross volunteer msanthrope Nov 2012 #25

+1 DCBob Nov 2012 #26

Please see post 123. Thank you very much. Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #149

"They also serve Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #32

101st Chairborne. They are really in the thick of things!!! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #33

Many of those Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #36

I think the PTSD--post-traumatic snark disorder is what really msanthrope Nov 2012 #37

Apologies, ma'am! Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #38

None needed. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #39

Fire is disabled. Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #82

Exactly. HappyMe Nov 2012 #65

Exactly -- go deliver food and water to some Seniors obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #91

I am disabled. I do electronic support and help to spread information Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #147

Occupy have been in areas the Red Cross and FEMA haven't begun to touch for the first few days after Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #150

Wow! This all makes so much sense! Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Savannahmann Nov 2012 #41

There are dozens of stories out there. Savannahmann Nov 2012 #40

"The media has never told us the truth about anything Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #43

Ad revenue and corporate direction. Savannahmann Nov 2012 #46

Of course the media is invested in the election Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #48

Really? Savannahmann Nov 2012 #49

Or maybe my relatives Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #50

Here are some more stories, surprised you haven't heard. Savannahmann Nov 2012 #60

Oh, ferchrissake Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #113

The Red Cross opened shelters nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #108

I doubt ANYONE is claiming all is well there union_maid Nov 2012 #55

100+ have died across the whole area not just Staten Island. And there will be more. You are right jwirr Nov 2012 #78

Local fire, local resident who lost all, snapped in his anger nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #107

Yes. and these poor people have a long process to go through yet. jwirr Nov 2012 #114

She lives on an island with no flood insurance? BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #59

As future reference.... HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #61

Indeed. Or at least, I would. n/t BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #68

There's a good chance you are going to pay for her house to be rebuilt former-republican Nov 2012 #62

Probably not---it's entirely possible that Zone A in Staten Island msanthrope Nov 2012 #67

You mean turn a barrier island into BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #69

Lots of Staten Island is 'wild' already. You have Claypit and Greenbelt, and lots of other msanthrope Nov 2012 #73

It's hard to take the real estate developer BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #75

""And with no flood insurance, she said she�s been pleading for help, but finding little. """ railsback Nov 2012 #70

This is Staten Island, part of Metro NYC obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #93

FOX doesn't want to. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #139

Twittering as relief work. who knew? cali Nov 2012 #45

Boston Globe: Battered by storm, Staten Islanders feel forgotten Bolo Boffin Nov 2012 #47

Headline is hype/sensationalizing Kolesar Nov 2012 #53

I have no doubt that people have not been fully accounted for, and there will be more deaths for still_one Nov 2012 #52

I want to help Chiquitita Nov 2012 #56

If that was the case, the media would be there treestar Nov 2012 #57

Horror story from Staten Island LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #63

"Lived in a house near the ocean" HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #74

Wait...what?????? Marrah_G Nov 2012 #79

So you are in Los Angeles trying to tell us that you have the real scoop on what is going on on OregonBlue Nov 2012 #76

^^^^^^^^ This... SidDithers Nov 2012 #143

Is anybody aware of just how large Staten Island is? starroute Nov 2012 #80

It's not an exaggeration... hoboken123 Nov 2012 #88

Your OP illustates the downside of so-called "citizen journalism." Engaged and excited Brickbat Nov 2012 #83

And defeats the very purpose of reporting in the first place. randome Nov 2012 #112

Yawn RagAss Nov 2012 #92

thank you Fire Walk warrprayer Nov 2012 #94

I'm trying not to be cynical here... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2012 #97

You know, here is where my big skeptic hat comes in nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #98

A DUer posted about listening to a police scanner on Staten Island. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #99

And we all know any report coming over the scanner nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #100

Citizen journalist Jenna Pope was there today and call what she witnessed, "Devastation". Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #148

NO WAY would the MSM REFRAIN from Obama-bashing over "people...dying off"! WinkyDink Nov 2012 #131

Or at least Fox News. randome Nov 2012 #132

Facebook is always the most accurate source of news... SidDithers Nov 2012 #140

RW talking point. People are not dying in Staten Island now. progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #144

1000s of ppl TwEeted they were KILLEd!!!11 Robb Nov 2012 #146

Gee, I thought by the urgency maybe Romney's tax returns washed up on shore ... Myrina Nov 2012 #152

OP original text. Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #155