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LetMyPeopleVote

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Mon Aug 15, 2022, 09:17 AM Aug 2022

The FBI found evidence at Mar-a-Lago that Team Trump can't ignore [View all]

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The classified and other documents found by the FBI cannot be ignored



https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/fbi-warrant-confirmed-trump-serious-trouble-n1297897?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

Everything we’ve seen since Monday suggests that the usual attempts from Trumpworld to poison the well ahead of bad news haven't been working. There has been nothing that could counter the simple fact confirmed on Friday: Donald Trump is under federal criminal investigation.

Among the dodges Trump offered up Friday is that the material recovered “was all declassified.” It’s the same argument that former Trump appointee/stooge Kash Patel used in May. He told Breitbart that classified documents then-recently recovered from Mar-a-Lago had actually already been declassified. Trump “declassified whole sets of materials” before leaving the White House,” Patel claimed, but, he said, White House counsel Pat Cipollone “failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn’t mean the information wasn’t declassified.” (Experts think that it may mean exactly that — and as NBC News reported on Friday, “the three laws cited in the search warrant do not specify that the mishandled documents had to have been classified.”).....

Other attempts to run defense have also fallen flat. Earlier on Friday, Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, tried to downplay the significance of whatever materials might have been found at Mar-a-Lago. “I can tell you that there are a number of things that are classified that fall under the umbrella of nuclear weapons but that are not necessarily things that are truly classified,” Turner said at a news conference.......

It’s obvious by now that the original game plan from Team Trump — call the DOJ corrupt and demand they reveal the warrant — has backfired. Plans B (claim all the documents in question were declassified) and C (hope that nothing related to the country’s nuclear weapons program was actually recovered) aren’t faring much better. The lack of ambiguity here has him and his cronies on the backfoot. For once, Trump is caught in a binary, one that asks whether classified materials were or were not recovered from his home.

It’s the exact kind of black-and-white court case that Trump managed to avoid for his entire time in public life. I don’t doubt that he’ll come up with a Plan D, E, and F in the coming days and weeks as we wait to see if charges result from Monday’s search. But there’s nothing he or his team can say or do to change the fact that Trump’s future could shift dramatically based on what the DOJ chooses to do about the 11 boxes of classified materials its agents brought home from Florida.


There was no valid reason for these documents to be held in a storage room at Mar-a-Logo. TFG is attempting to distract from this fact and these efforts are not working.
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See the cartoon in my signature line malaise Aug 2022 #1
Lock him up! Higherarky Aug 2022 #2
ahh, the ol' "classified" and "truly classified" yeah, okay n/t hibbing Aug 2022 #3
It actually is a helpful difference, for prosecution of Trump. Ms. Toad Aug 2022 #43
Regardless of classification, having the documents there and denying it makes him guilty. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #46
I wasn't addressing whether he was guilty. Ms. Toad Aug 2022 #50
Those that would be involved in that decision at the time should testify. LiberalFighter Aug 2022 #48
The simple truth about the whole incident come from the personal knowledge Chainfire Aug 2022 #4
The fact that he was POTUS makes that even worse. Frustratedlady Aug 2022 #6
Didn't moms smoke and drink? Aviation Pro Aug 2022 #8
I don't know, but living with that ugly husband of hers would give her good reason to do so. Frustratedlady Aug 2022 #9
It would create precedence, and that would be used by lawyers everywhere each time a GOP member Escurumbele Aug 2022 #11
Is the punishment for discarding the cup incident true? brush Aug 2022 #15
It is true, it did happen, and the sailor did whine about your point about the "order." Chainfire Aug 2022 #18
So it's up to the captain to decide whether to... brush Aug 2022 #21
I would be willing to bet that you never lived under the UCMJ. Chainfire Aug 2022 #24
Thanks for the inside info on what can go on on Navy ships. brush Aug 2022 #28
Still, it should be just treestar Aug 2022 #54
How often do those punishments occur? LiberalFighter Aug 2022 #49
Captain's masts or I believe the Army calls it "Office Hours" are not infrequent. Chainfire Aug 2022 #55
" He is too dangerous t national security to remain free." calimary Aug 2022 #19
Great response post! Someone on MSNBC said that it did not matter if the material was declassified. LaMouffette Aug 2022 #25
"Trump needs to be charged and he needs to be charged today." Novara Aug 2022 #26
I was an ET in the Navy stationed on an Amphibious Flag ship during Viet Nam. Tacan Aug 2022 #41
destroying government property Submariner Aug 2022 #42
If you were actually on a sub, like my brother . . . . Haggis 4 Breakfast Aug 2022 #56
Not only could no nuke boat pictures be taken Submariner Aug 2022 #60
Funny you mention diesel boats. Haggis 4 Breakfast Aug 2022 #61
Point Loma navy base 2abigbman Aug 2022 #63
The fact that he was POTUS makes it different. Ms. Toad Aug 2022 #44
as loath as I am to admit it, I think you are probably correct stopdiggin Aug 2022 #58
He can't presidential powers himself out of lowering the restrictions on nuclear information. Ms. Toad Aug 2022 #59
Had it been a cup full of strawberries he would have faced hard time grantcart Aug 2022 #47
Your captain was kinda a jerk then... druidity33 Aug 2022 #65
But evidence doesn't matter to these people. nycbos Aug 2022 #5
But it has to matter to the DOJ, republicans may not care about it, or pretend they don't Escurumbele Aug 2022 #13
Your posted Tweet has nothing to do with the headline or story. brooklynite Aug 2022 #7
So? flying_wahini Aug 2022 #12
So why include it? brooklynite Aug 2022 #17
Your last paragraph says it all. The Presidential Records Act... brush Aug 2022 #10
Look in Ivana's coffin for more documents OMGWTF Aug 2022 #14
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #16
OMG! calimary Aug 2022 #20
It's probably an old mob boss trick. The grave's a fine and private place... Hekate Aug 2022 #23
When I was a little kid back in the 50's, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #31
What a question! Trump's depravity has no bottom. n/t Eyeball_Kid Aug 2022 #30
Ivana's ashes may not even BE in the coffin! But classified documents, Eyeball_Kid Aug 2022 #29
Does one get a search order or some such thing? calimary Aug 2022 #33
Exhumation Hekate Aug 2022 #37
Did any Trump family members carry the casket? GreenWave Aug 2022 #52
Well, three of them are her actual children, so absent specific instructions in her Will/End of Li... Hekate Aug 2022 #53
Cremation gets rid of murder evidence wnylib Aug 2022 #66
Simple common sense defeats just about every defense offered so far Orrex Aug 2022 #22
Nope. He did it for the VALUE of those documents. calimary Aug 2022 #34
REMEMBER! Classification of Docs is IRRELEVANT! Eyeball_Kid Aug 2022 #27
Execution please, nothing else should do, 300,000+ extra caz of the asshole. Brainfodder Aug 2022 #32
Another Thing Not Mentioned DallasNE Aug 2022 #35
The thing is... boyedav1969 Aug 2022 #36
Wonder if there is any relation to these documents and wnylib Aug 2022 #67
declassified and forgot to file the paperwork... jcgoldie Aug 2022 #38
Trump cannot legally have possession of the government documents. LiberalFighter Aug 2022 #39
Why would he declassify nuclear weapon secrets? ThoughtCriminal Aug 2022 #40
Opinion Leaving with nuclear secrets would be Trump's dumbest, scariest stunt yet LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #45
So, he just proved that certain classified material wasn't declassified. Dysfunctional Aug 2022 #51
I don't agree with the conclusion this author draws. drray23 Aug 2022 #57
Yeah, DT(?Domestic Terrorist) can Cha Aug 2022 #62
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2022 #64
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2022 #68
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