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Showing Original Post only (View all)What Happens to Russia After It Loses? [View all]
A bit long, but well written piece; here are the concluding paragraphs
As Tom Nichols, a former Naval War College professor, Russia specialist, and current contributor to The Atlantic, concludes: No matter how this war ends, post-Soviet Russia as a great power is finished for a long time to come. Putin unwound 30 years of social and economic development, somehow thinking he could sustain great power status on wars of aggression, selling natural resources, and keeping a nuclear arsenal. (Great powers do not have to go shopping for weapons in North Korea.) Even if Putin dies or is removed, the moral stain of the Ukraine war and its many crimes is going to last for generations, and a post-Putin Russia will not get the same benefit of the doubt from the rest of the world the way it did after the Soviet collapse. He's going to leave the country poorer, more hated, and more isolated than at any time since Stalins death.
There is an irony in this. Putin avoided the funeral of Mikhail Gorbachev because he considered the fall of the Soviet Union and the dissolution of its empire as the worst catastrophe of the past century. Yet, here he is compounding the missteps and the crimes that led to that event.
Indeed, the best case for post-Soviet Russia may well be that it becomes relative to China what the former members of the Warsaw Pact were to it, a satellite of a much greater power, at best the junior partner in a relationship with the one like-minded nation that has a chance to gain greater influence in the decades ahead.
For countries like Ukrainefighting for their continued existenceall of this is secondary, of course. What matters is that they are able to continue their recent victories, that the West provides them with the equipment and financial resources to be able to capitalize on those successes and that in the end they fulfill the promise of Zelenskys speech and push the invader out of their country. Should they do that, they will be doing the world a great service. And fortunately, they are aided in this not only by the commitments of leaders like President Joe Biden and his counterparts in NATO and the EU, but by the mind-boggling ineptitude of Putin and his army.
As one Ukrainian soldier put it, We are very lucky that they are so fucking stupid.
There is an irony in this. Putin avoided the funeral of Mikhail Gorbachev because he considered the fall of the Soviet Union and the dissolution of its empire as the worst catastrophe of the past century. Yet, here he is compounding the missteps and the crimes that led to that event.
Indeed, the best case for post-Soviet Russia may well be that it becomes relative to China what the former members of the Warsaw Pact were to it, a satellite of a much greater power, at best the junior partner in a relationship with the one like-minded nation that has a chance to gain greater influence in the decades ahead.
For countries like Ukrainefighting for their continued existenceall of this is secondary, of course. What matters is that they are able to continue their recent victories, that the West provides them with the equipment and financial resources to be able to capitalize on those successes and that in the end they fulfill the promise of Zelenskys speech and push the invader out of their country. Should they do that, they will be doing the world a great service. And fortunately, they are aided in this not only by the commitments of leaders like President Joe Biden and his counterparts in NATO and the EU, but by the mind-boggling ineptitude of Putin and his army.
As one Ukrainian soldier put it, We are very lucky that they are so fucking stupid.
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K&R!!! "As one Ukrainian soldier put it, "We are very lucky that they are so fucking stupid."" n/t
RKP5637
Sep 2022
#1
Yes!!! It's so critical. I think the gates are closing for elimination of the slime if it's allowed
RKP5637
Sep 2022
#12
Absolutely incredible, and that in many ways signs the end of the United States. The
RKP5637
Sep 2022
#21
In many ways IMO Putin and Trump are similar, a couple of con artists scamming their
RKP5637
Sep 2022
#3
LOL, Yeah!!!!! most likely! Phew, if I were going/forced into a stupid war like that for Putin
RKP5637
Sep 2022
#6
From my experience "training" with Russian servicemen in the 90's,
MarineCombatEngineer
Sep 2022
#44
I think Russia can trade its energy to China for political power, but then how can Russia prevent
ShazamIam
Sep 2022
#5
I think there will be a time in the not so distant future that we will treat china like we are
yaesu
Sep 2022
#27
God Bless Ukraine. Fuck Putin. Hope the Russian people finally get someone decent to run the place.
Joinfortmill
Sep 2022
#13
After Putin is gone, the missteps of Germany's WWI Reparations & Sanctions cannot be repeated.
TheBlackAdder
Sep 2022
#19
The deep seated corruption going on for decades leaves much of the Russian ppl living in absolute
PortTack
Sep 2022
#33
"Great powers do not have to go shopping for weapons in North Korea." This says it all.
Native
Sep 2022
#28
Europe will pretend everything is fine and start importing huge amounts of Russian gas again.
hunter
Sep 2022
#32
Not so sure about that. Denmark and 3 other countries are radically rethinking wind
PortTack
Sep 2022
#34