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Sympthsical

(11,327 posts)
22. I'm sorry, speech is speech
Sun Sep 18, 2022, 09:44 AM
Sep 2022

Colleges should be bastions of it, not celebrating closing it down.

Remember that whole, "I may not like what you say . . . etc." That is long gone. It's funny. I was recently watching an interview with the old director of the ACLU, Ira Glasser, and he was lamenting how what his organization stood for just seems long gone. I grew up in a time where stories of safeguarding civil liberties included that story of neo-Nazis marching through Skokie, IL.

We've lost that respect for civil liberties in favor of authoritarian enforcement of only allowing speech that is agreed with.

That this train of thought is being taught and reinforced at colleges is a very depressing evolution in this country. I actually think it's corrosive and contributes to the partisan problem we have. "I don't like you. I have to shut you down and erase you from the public sphere." It becomes a contest and path to "winning" if someone can be silenced.

It's not a good evolution, in my mind.

And I think the people who argue for it should find a word other than liberal to describe themselves, because free speech - especially the shit we hate - used to be pretty foundational to modern ideas of what being a liberal means.

"They wanted in the room to boo and chant." Yes, they wanted to shut down speech they didn't like.

That is being anti-speech. Sorry, but it is. No matter what bow you try to wrap around it.

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Good. These purveyors of hate need to be rejected at every opportunity JohnSJ Sep 2022 #1
This Norbert Sep 2022 #4
Agreed! Fuck 'em! It's time we fight back against the bullshit! Initech Sep 2022 #60
and UNM supports/broadcasts sports on KKOB, the major xlimbaugh station in the state, and tomorrow certainot Sep 2022 #62
Dump her at Desantis' front door Mr. Ected Sep 2022 #2
There is a plan. I used to live in Florida. Too humid and now too racist. nt TigressDem Sep 2022 #7
Why are the far right even speaking at colleges and universities or at ...... Lovie777 Sep 2022 #3
Riiiight? nt TigressDem Sep 2022 #8
They think they're poking liberals in the eye by appearing on college campuses.... paleotn Sep 2022 #11
This reaction may feel like a win for her Zilli Sep 2022 #51
Why are high schools and colleges allowing TP USA events? Initech Sep 2022 #61
Probably because in every university there are a few eccentric Nazi profs and/or admins who........ jaxexpat Sep 2022 #69
No quarter for fascists. Shut it down! paleotn Sep 2022 #5
Only one protest group? Seems they pounded on the door and wanted into the speech room. TigressDem Sep 2022 #9
From watching our local liberal arts college over the years.... paleotn Sep 2022 #13
So Turning Point USA is a Student Organization that invited her, but it's tied itself to tRump. TigressDem Sep 2022 #16
Thanks for the info. A more organized version of the same old formula it seems.... paleotn Sep 2022 #20
Turning Point may seem like a youth organization.... moose65 Sep 2022 #56
Good information. It makes sense. TigressDem Sep 2022 #58
I do think their Youth Group that supposedly isn't political, IS. So tax fraud investigation? TigressDem Sep 2022 #59
They do not want a racist talking at their school. COOL. TigressDem Sep 2022 #6
Growing up behind the heels of the teenagers in the sixties, I saw the protests on t.v. and Baitball Blogger Sep 2022 #10
OK so Turning Point is the group who scheduled her to speak. TigressDem Sep 2022 #12
Yeah, I was going to reply to your earlier comment that there probably was a right-wing group tanyev Sep 2022 #14
Shutting down speech at a college is illiberal Sympthsical Sep 2022 #15
I get what you are saying, yet this "speaker" said George Floyd caused his own death. TigressDem Sep 2022 #19
I'm sorry, speech is speech Sympthsical Sep 2022 #22
No it's not. DIS-INFORMATION is PROPOGANDA, a tool of authoritarian control. TigressDem Sep 2022 #26
Bullshit. Free speech only means the government can not arrest you and drag you off to jail... Demsrule86 Sep 2022 #30
Exactly! PortTack Sep 2022 #33
This is deliberately a dodge Sympthsical Sep 2022 #36
There is no principle upheld in the spewing of racist garbage...It is not liberal to stand by and Demsrule86 Sep 2022 #37
This is hate speech and should not be promoted...she can say whatever but she doesn't have Demsrule86 Sep 2022 #38
It isn't a dodge. It seems to me that you don't have a a full understanding of what free speech Demsrule86 Sep 2022 #39
Free speech doesn't allow one to yell fire in a theater triron Sep 2022 #42
A phrase often misquoted. billh58 Sep 2022 #53
Sorry you don't have more support, but I will stand with you TheProle Sep 2022 #48
Tomi Lahern is a well known right wing figure with a national audience on major media outlets Takket Sep 2022 #55
It's a horrible take TheProle Sep 2022 #57
Absurdism is speech too but its mostly the privileged who get to proffer it no? tia uponit7771 Sep 2022 #46
So if another Hitler arises we should sit down and shut up? Kingofalldems Sep 2022 #49
It would be a valid point if what Lahren said was true. Prof. Toru Tanaka Sep 2022 #23
Propoganda is NOT free speech, it's indoctrination. TigressDem Sep 2022 #27
Maybe the NEW Generation Needs to MLK it so they CAN'T say it's violent. TigressDem Sep 2022 #25
Just want to say, I'm not hating that you stand up for free speech. TigressDem Sep 2022 #29
So suffer absurdism? tia uponit7771 Sep 2022 #45
the students have free speech too treestar Sep 2022 #52
I think Sweden has much stronger free speech laws. plimsoll Sep 2022 #64
Interesting that she rails against non-English speakers Ritabert Sep 2022 #17
She's loves trolling people. She chose a college with lots of liberals IronLionZion Sep 2022 #18
Love this Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #21
Proud of these students! Hoping someday all of NM will be a hate-free zone. n/t TygrBright Sep 2022 #24
"The school *blocked* the anti-racist protestors from entering" SledDriver Sep 2022 #28
*blocked*... Shouldn't Tomi's supporters back up the anti-racist protestors denied their FA rights? keithbvadu2 Sep 2022 #32
I worry about Tomi Erik the UNred Sep 2022 #31
Absolutely the papa3times Sep 2022 #34
Right general idea, but it's just another botch and a self-own by the protesters gulliver Sep 2022 #35
That she was even invited to speak doesn't say much for that university tenderfoot Sep 2022 #40
Students didn't invite her. triron Sep 2022 #43
Then who did? tenderfoot Sep 2022 #44
+1, ... and there are too many asking the sane to suffer absurdism uponit7771 Sep 2022 #47
Wonderful students. I wish I could buy each of them a beer or Pepsi. NT raccoon Sep 2022 #41
Who the hell invited Fascism to Cha Sep 2022 #50
These rw pricks aren't very welcome outside their social media troll-propped bubble. Crowman2009 Sep 2022 #54
The only time I ever hear her name is when somebody's pissed at her. Iggo Sep 2022 #63
Hope they register and vote. LakeArenal Sep 2022 #65
It's the "product placement" that "grabs".... littlemissmartypants Sep 2022 #66
Love it 💕 Demovictory9 Sep 2022 #67
Awesome BlueJac Sep 2022 #68
Surprised at Lahren defenders on here HillbillyDaoist Sep 2022 #70
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