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ShazzieB

(22,663 posts)
115. "Innocent until proven guilty" only applies to courtrooms.
Tue Sep 27, 2022, 08:55 PM
Sep 2022

Outside of a courtroom, we all have the right to form our own opinions, and to voice them.

The burden for proving a person's guilt falls on the prosecution, and those who serve on a jury that will be ruling on a defendant's guilt or innocence are enjoined to keep an open mind and not form an opinion until they have heard all the evidence.

The rest of us have no such obligation, and we do not "owe" Matt Gaetz, or any other public figure accused of a crime, an apology of any sort for forming an opinion that he is most likely guilty or for saying so.

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SMDH. Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #1
???? USALiberal Sep 2022 #88
lol ok nt Torchlight Sep 2022 #92
LanternWaste, you changed your name!! USALiberal Sep 2022 #98
What? You feel you owe an apology to Gaetz? I know I don't What is this bullshit? Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #105
That's OK if he did get away with something, he will do worse next time. And get caught Walleye Sep 2022 #2
Like hell dweller Sep 2022 #3
My understanding is that the WaPo article is being widely challenged and is considered Atticus Sep 2022 #4
I've seen some chatter on twitter questioning the validity of the story Jarqui Sep 2022 #5
A Tweet From The Handle "Mueller, She Wrote" SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #11
Perhaps you should read up on her before you dismiss her, David, sheshe2 Sep 2022 #75
Yeah, The Hidden Report. More Evidence Of How Fucked Up Our "justice" System Is SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #78
So, you take the WP word for it all. Have you read the WP lately? I have subscription and am Demsrule86 Sep 2022 #111
Perhaps you should read up on her before you dismiss her, David, sheshe2 Sep 2022 #76
He could still be a perv, there just wasn't enough evidence to file or indict. Thomas Hurt Sep 2022 #6
missed your sarcasm emoji Shellback Squid Sep 2022 #7
I'll apologize to Matt when TFG apologizes for denigrating our... Enter stage left Sep 2022 #8
Well there is the little matter of his requesting a pardon .... CloudWatcher Sep 2022 #9
He asked for a blanket pardon for trafficking. sheshe2 Sep 2022 #10
Turns Out, It Looks Like He Never Needed One nt SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #14
Frankly, I am not sure this is over yet. sheshe2 Sep 2022 #18
Was It Over When The Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor? SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #20
When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Maybe you should put down niyad Sep 2022 #35
A Belushi moment.... magicarpet Sep 2022 #42
Thank you. I never saw that movie. niyad Sep 2022 #44
Frat-boy foolishness,... if you like that type of humor. magicarpet Sep 2022 #52
That sort of thing never appealed to me. niyad Sep 2022 #71
Same here. ShazzieB Sep 2022 #114
I, for one, welcome our obscure cinematic references... The Unmitigated Gall Sep 2022 #68
😹 Meowmee Sep 2022 #80
Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor? sheshe2 Sep 2022 #40
See post 42 above... magicarpet Sep 2022 #43
It's a reference to the movie Animal House MustLoveBeagles Sep 2022 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Sep 2022 #19
We don't owe him shit. demmiblue Sep 2022 #12
1000% agree! arthritisR_US Sep 2022 #66
Small fish. Let's land the biggest bottom feeder of all, Trump OAITW r.2.0 Sep 2022 #13
By that criteria Trump is innocent too! rgbecker Sep 2022 #15
Either He's Innocent, Or Our "justice" System Is A Complete Joke SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #17
No. The press can not. The courts cannot, the attorneys, the juries cannot. The public CAN hlthe2b Sep 2022 #25
Maybe you can't call him guilty, because you don't know... rgbecker Sep 2022 #31
Our justice system is a complete joke and always has been. Marius25 Sep 2022 #94
All I can say to this is speak for yourself kcr Sep 2022 #16
Who has a better track record of accuracy Sewa Sep 2022 #36
Who cares about bloggers kcr Sep 2022 #38
I think you are premature. The WAPO story is now being reported as "dubious." hlthe2b Sep 2022 #21
The Washington Post Stands By Their Sources & Story SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #23
DUers are ripping WaPo all the time around here kcr Sep 2022 #28
I pay to subscribe, thank you. But even the best newspapers sometimes get it wrong. hlthe2b Sep 2022 #32
I do agree with the OP but i do have this in the back of my mind underpants Sep 2022 #34
Innocent until proven guilty is not a walking-around-town-decision-making standard. It is a RockRaven Sep 2022 #22
Yes, OJ Murdered Two People SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #27
Like OJ and Bill Cosby. Yeah. LexVegas Sep 2022 #24
OJ & Cosby Were Both Charged, And Cosby Was Found Guilty SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #30
OJ innocent of double murder. Gotta respect it. nt LexVegas Sep 2022 #41
Innocent until proven guilty pertains to the court room,,,, KarenS Sep 2022 #26
May he, and his enablers, receive everything they deserve. niyad Sep 2022 #29
If they didn't find evidence, the DOJ failed to do their job. LiberalFighter Sep 2022 #33
It read like a planted story to me. You are welcome to your blm Sep 2022 #37
I'll Believe That When I See An Indictment SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #48
Don't care. It still smells like a planted story. blm Sep 2022 #51
Planted By Whom? SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #55
For the headlines blm Sep 2022 #62
Regardless Of Whether This Story Has Any Basis In Fact SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #63
The presumption of innocence is a concept that applies only to the jury Tomconroy Sep 2022 #39
It's Slander To Say Otherwise SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #47
Lol no it is not slander obamanut2012 Sep 2022 #82
You may wish to bend over backwards to give this cretin benefit-of-the doubt, but for the public hlthe2b Sep 2022 #90
He calls Biden a pedophile so Matt Gaetz can go screw himself Marius25 Sep 2022 #95
Fuck. Matt. Gaetz. Period. NewHendoLib Sep 2022 #46
👆 Deuxcents Sep 2022 #50
Odd. H2O Man Sep 2022 #49
Fair Enough, But In The Eyes Of The Law, And Our "justice" System, He Is Innocent SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #53
Are you joking? H2O Man Sep 2022 #60
Incorrect. You are presumed guilty when being investigated, charged and bailed. kysrsoze Sep 2022 #54
You're Presumed Guilty When You're Charged? SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #57
Obviously the police and prosecutor think your guilty. Tomconroy Sep 2022 #59
If Prosecutors Thought Gaetz Was Guilty, They Would At Least Indict Him SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #61
Federal prosecutors are obligated to bring criminal charges Tomconroy Sep 2022 #64
I Suppose They Can Use That Same Excuse If/When They Fail To Indict TFG SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #65
Try getting charged sometime. GoodRaisin Sep 2022 #86
You funny Hekate Sep 2022 #56
Do we owe tfg an apology too? MyMission Sep 2022 #58
You are correct. sheshe2 Sep 2022 #67
+1. And O. J. Simpson dalton99a Sep 2022 #77
I don't owe him shit UTUSN Sep 2022 #69
No, we don't. We're not members of a jury. We're free to have an opinion on his guilt or innocence, pnwmom Sep 2022 #70
Are you saying that Matt Gaetz DIDN'T ask Chump for a blanket pardon? FakeNoose Sep 2022 #72
An apology? Lololol nini Sep 2022 #73
+1 n/t area51 Sep 2022 #74
So are you going to deliver it to him on bended knees with tears in your eyes? dalton99a Sep 2022 #79
If you feel the need to, do so Meowmee Sep 2022 #81
Lololololololol obamanut2012 Sep 2022 #83
Dear Matt; I'm sorry that you're such a disgusting piece of human garbage. Buns_of_Fire Sep 2022 #84
well... jcgoldie Sep 2022 #85
Who is we? Gaetz is a piece of shit. nt akbacchus_BC Sep 2022 #87
Are you seriously delusional? arthritisR_US Sep 2022 #89
We? tavernier Sep 2022 #91
Nope. Matt Gaetz asked Trump for a pardon for his crimes. Marius25 Sep 2022 #93
No ornotna Sep 2022 #96
The standard in the court of public opinion is the exact opposite Mr. Ected Sep 2022 #97
Response removed 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2022 #99
" They're going to have to pry an apology from my cold, dead, larynx" PCIntern Sep 2022 #100
Top 10 Most Pointless Posts Ever ProfessorGAC Sep 2022 #101
PERFECT answer!!! bluestarone Sep 2022 #102
You certainly may apologize, I'm gonna pass. Fuck that pedophile. Autumn Sep 2022 #103
Wow, this defines "right wing talking point" Bettie Sep 2022 #104
How about NO? budkin Sep 2022 #106
OK. Sorry about your stupid face, Matt. LuckyCharms Sep 2022 #107
Oh really? FrankBooth Sep 2022 #108
nothing innocent about Gaetz RANDYWILDMAN Sep 2022 #109
This was a Wash. Post article...and it has been called into question...so let's wait and see. Demsrule86 Sep 2022 #110
111 replies and only 1 rec. I don't think your OP went over very well David. panader0 Sep 2022 #112
Who the fuck is 'we'? nt Rob H. Sep 2022 #113
"Innocent until proven guilty" only applies to courtrooms. ShazzieB Sep 2022 #115
That fucking thumb? ismnotwasm Sep 2022 #116
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