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GusBob

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41. As a physician myself, I can dispute that crap

Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:23 AM

Oct 2022

I know plenty of straight A students who are shitty providers

Organic chemistry does not teach you how to listen
It does not teach you how to speak with patients
It does not teach you how to care
It does not teach you how to get along with colleagues and staff and other professionals
It does not teach you how to run a business

That takes personal skills and practice and you can’t practice without skills. Some of them are egoists and their patients despise them. They couldn’t even get along with clinical instructors due to the clash of egos

The A students get out in the real world not very well-rounded. Great at books, lousy at people skills, end up in research or education

Med schools now realize this and are looking way beyond your chem grades to find the best applicants

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At N.Y.U., Students Were Failing Organic Chemistry. Who Was to Blame? [View all] brooklynite Oct 2022 OP

I wish this did not sound right but it does. redstatebluegirl Oct 2022 #1

For me, it was p-chem, not organic.... getagrip_already Oct 2022 #2

My PhD Is In Physical Organic Chemistry ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #6

I found that the more advanced chemistry courses were easier than freshman chem Poiuyt Oct 2022 #29

I Can See That ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #38

I had an awful experience in P-chem. I was a good student and graduated with honors. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #8

You did the right thing Dorian Gray Oct 2022 #43

I've seen, "I survived P Chem" bumper stickers. Johnny2X2X Oct 2022 #9

I once got a job that I was not really qualified for because they saw P-Chem on my transcript. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #35

I still have my P-chem textbook -- when I look at that book, I have Poiuyt Oct 2022 #28

Speaking of foreign born instructors, Disaffected Oct 2022 #37

They're not higher education any more: they're DegreesRUs. lindysalsagal Oct 2022 #3

Especially the foreign students who generally pay full tuition. brooklynite Oct 2022 #4

It is a competitive sport for some foreign students to lie and cheat - proudly and shamelessly dalton99a Oct 2022 #14

That's a bit insulting to a lot of professors... Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #22

It applies to the adminisration, not the professors. I've had my grades "modified" against my wishes eppur_se_muova Oct 2022 #26

Well said. Plus, many colleges keep the majority of faculty on "part-time', or "adjunct" so they lindysalsagal Oct 2022 #30

Thanks for the clarification. NT Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #36

If his class standards didn't drastically change, suck it up kids NickB79 Oct 2022 #5

+1. You don't want a doctor or pharmacist who doesn't understand organic chemistry dalton99a Oct 2022 #13

Yes, it is. And yes, we all depend on the adequate training and preparation of scientists: From lindysalsagal Oct 2022 #32

Average is the lowest common denominater. Lowering standards in Medicine seems like a malpractice. marble falls Oct 2022 #7

The writing on this is so weird. It really sets up the students as the unreasonable ones and WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #10

He was teaching there since 2006 dsc Oct 2022 #17

The article is definitely written in such a way that the blank spots leave canvasses for people to WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #21

Was he pulling in grants? Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #23

This was his second post-retirement job. All he was doing was teaching. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #25

Most of the As received in online STEM courses during the pandemic came from online cheating dalton99a Oct 2022 #11

In my college class of 450, 250 declared themselves to be Tomconroy Oct 2022 #12

NYU is a very selective school. These are supposed to be top students mainer Oct 2022 #15

I lucked out. We had to take chemistry and physics leftyladyfrommo Oct 2022 #16

I have 30 pages of typed notes per exam in microbio Sympthsical Oct 2022 #18

My first chemistry test I got 17%. I think they just leftyladyfrommo Oct 2022 #20

Our first exam was an unmitigated disaster Sympthsical Oct 2022 #24

I Was The Curve Buster In Organic ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #39

Hmm, PhD checks out Sympthsical Oct 2022 #40

Reminds me of the old saw dsc Oct 2022 #19

I love this one! redstatebluegirl Oct 2022 #33

As a physician myself, I can dispute that crap GusBob Oct 2022 #41

"notorious for ending many a dream of medical school" at EVERY COLLEGE WHERE IT IS TAUGHT ... eppur_se_muova Oct 2022 #27

+1. Med school admissions people often use organic chemistry as a performance predictor dalton99a Oct 2022 #34

i still remember back when i was getting my electrical engineering degree moonshinegnomie Oct 2022 #31

I have a lot to say about this Dorian Gray Oct 2022 #42