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cyclonefence

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Thu Oct 6, 2022, 03:06 PM Oct 2022

He she sie? [View all]

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I am in favor of referring to people in their preferred manner. I confess to having a lot of trouble with "they" as a singular pronoun, not so much when I use it because I know who I'm referring to, but when I encounter it from others, especially in written text. It causes an interruption in the flow of ideas because I have to pause to remind myself who is being referred to.

This is not the biggest problem in the world.

Many years ago, there was a movement to replace "he" and "she" (and their iterations) with a neutral pronoun that could be applied to either sex (it was a binary world back then, at least to those of us ignorant of our non-binary citizens), and the word "sie" was suggested. I actually used it for a while, but grew tired of explaining.

English is not an inflected language; that is, we do not change the spelling of words to indicate whether the words are masculine or feminine. In many other languages, nouns are assigned gender and generally have different spellings for male or female words. In French, "chance" (luck) is feminine, and "Good luck" is rendered "Bonne chance", with the feminine adjective matching the feminine noun. "Bon voyage" and "bon appetit" reflect masculine endings to adjectives that modify masculine nouns.

We don't go in for that nonsense. "Good luck", "good travels", and "enjoy your dinner" don't kowtow to the gender of the noun.

So why do our pronouns have to be divided into male and female? Why don't we have one word to mean "person?" Not just to make things easier with the nonbinary community, but to make it fairer and more sensible for all of us?

You wouldn't have to mess with the plural pronouns, I think: "they" and "them" are just fine. But let's find a new word for him/her/person.

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He she sie? [View all] cyclonefence Oct 2022 OP
Human pwb Oct 2022 #1
not pronouns cyclonefence Oct 2022 #13
I agree with you, but sadly have no answer. GreenWave Oct 2022 #2
Makes more sense to use a word we know in a new way than to try to introduce a new word. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #3
"They/them" have been used as a singular pronouns for around 700 years unblock Oct 2022 #4
Thanks -- yes, "they" has been default gender-neutral singular since before the printing press Hekate Oct 2022 #11
This nt Tree-Hugger Oct 2022 #16
I get thrown off by the "they" as well. Tommy Carcetti Oct 2022 #5
It's hard to do it vercetti2021 Oct 2022 #6
Thank you cyclonefence Oct 2022 #14
A person should enjoy their vacation. Torchlight Oct 2022 #7
OK but cyclonefence Oct 2022 #15
I agree that a different singular pronoun is needed. Sky Jewels Oct 2022 #8
The pronunciation of "sie" is cyclonefence Oct 2022 #17
They/them has been singular since about 1350 obamanut2012 Oct 2022 #9
BTW...English did have gendered nouns for many years! Behind the Aegis Oct 2022 #10
There already exists such a word in English: "One" LeftinOH Oct 2022 #12
Too snobby? Too British? cyclonefence Oct 2022 #18
One doesn't have quite the right meaning as it is not specific unblock Oct 2022 #19
Locking EarlG Oct 2022 #20
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