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LeftInTX

(34,370 posts)
64. The alpha thing works in the presence of the alpha
Sun Oct 9, 2022, 12:00 AM
Oct 2022

Dogs just aren't that smart, unless they're a special trained service dog.

They may appear to be obeying to an "invisible master" but for the most part they have brains like little kids and will constantly test boundaries if not supervised. Many dogs suffer from boredom and loneliness and need constant structure.

I highly doubt if these dogs had rabies.

They were probably bored and the mom of the two kids took for granted that her kids were OK because nothing had happened previously. Just because a dog "appears" to be obeying when the owner is out of site does not mean that they are obeying. They may be tired. They may think the owner is in the room etc.

All dogs are pretty much like little kids and will test boundaries at an given time. My chihuahua was great when I was in the the room. (Better when I had her full attention) However, if I left she would often start shaking....Eventually it would be followed by crying etc.



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Not a pit bull fan LeftInTX Oct 2022 #1
Must be trained correctly from a pup TigressDem Oct 2022 #21
That's what this family thought for 8 years questionseverything Oct 2022 #31
Like I told Jade... TigressDem Oct 2022 #44
You said your son's dog would kill if someone messed with his kids questionseverything Oct 2022 #47
Yeah. He had the equipment, but he would stand down when told to. TigressDem Oct 2022 #52
Omg why would anyone wait until children are dead? questionseverything Oct 2022 #53
Those dogs are past pets. Died years ago. No worries. TigressDem Oct 2022 #56
Toddlers are random creatures. I snatched a neighbor's child out of the traffic when she ran... Hekate Oct 2022 #57
There is a thing called rage syndrome. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2022 #101
One other thought.... TigressDem Oct 2022 #49
This reads like a fantasy....... Jade Fox Oct 2022 #41
We have never had another dog "that" good, but the next dog after he died wasn't bad. TigressDem Oct 2022 #42
So why did Cesar Millan's own pit bull attack him.... Jade Fox Oct 2022 #51
I don't know. TigressDem Oct 2022 #55
The alpha thing works in the presence of the alpha LeftInTX Oct 2022 #64
Yes they are vercetti2021 Oct 2022 #2
True Rebl2 Oct 2022 #5
I'm sure they said the same thing... they are until they aren't Fullduplexxx Oct 2022 #6
Mine is a hound vercetti2021 Oct 2022 #16
Well I was referring to pit bulls . They're like those bears that people sit with sit with while Fullduplexxx Oct 2022 #23
from a peer reviewed scientific article by the american vet medical association moonshinegnomie Oct 2022 #92
"Abused for two years...." Sogo Oct 2022 #67
And how the dog is handled SheltieLover Oct 2022 #8
And inthewind21 Oct 2022 #161
The family that owned these dogs likely loved them. pandr32 Oct 2022 #15
You can't win a rational argument against fur baby stans JCMach1 Oct 2022 #35
Sorry for loving my dog vercetti2021 Oct 2022 #54
Point being they are in denial about certain breeds of dogs... JCMach1 Oct 2022 #60
Denial about what? Be specific. flvegan Oct 2022 #65
Absolutely proving my point there is no discourse to be had with fur baby stans JCMach1 Oct 2022 #73
Epic fail. Try again. flvegan Oct 2022 #77
Let me try. I've been on the Animal Matters Hearing Board for more than 10 years in my county. Solomon Oct 2022 #98
I love anectodal evidence. flvegan Oct 2022 #105
How about the American Veterinary Medical Association? LeftInTX Oct 2022 #116
Post #92. n/t flvegan Oct 2022 #154
Logic and data will never defeat emotion. TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #111
In my opinion vercetti2021 Oct 2022 #72
So do tell inthewind21 Oct 2022 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #68
Totally are vercetti2021 Oct 2022 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #152
It's not always due to bad owners Polybius Oct 2022 #124
And that is why humans 'selectively' bred dogs. Absolutely nothing JCMach1 Oct 2022 #164
The article doesn't say anything about pit bulls Poiuyt Oct 2022 #3
They were pits Different article that for some reason I can't post. Lochloosa Oct 2022 #4
Here's an article with photos... Glorfindel Oct 2022 #9
Thanks Poiuyt Oct 2022 #11
Covered by a sensitive content warning MissB Oct 2022 #20
This is just the most heartbreaking thing I've read mahina Oct 2022 #7
This is tragic indeed. Those poor parents and kids, uppityperson Oct 2022 #32
"...dogs and babies shouldn't be together if the dog is not under control..." Mariana Oct 2022 #66
A five month old should never be left alone with any pet...this includes dogs and cats. LeftInTX Oct 2022 #110
The mother was there. The dogs put her in the hospital. Mariana Oct 2022 #125
I bet the attack happened when she was out of the room. LeftInTX Oct 2022 #127
The NY Post says, "Outside their home" LeftInTX Oct 2022 #140
Even if Mom was staring right at them from two feet away Mariana Oct 2022 #141
I read this, but don't know how accurate it is: LeftInTX Oct 2022 #146
The mom had started having concerns about the dogs... Mariana Oct 2022 #149
Most people get Pit Bulls because they are "Bad Ass." They are very popular around here. Chainfire Oct 2022 #10
And especially not with young kids in the home JI7 Oct 2022 #12
Last time we went to the shelter, Pitties were by far the most common. For some reason. yonder Oct 2022 #14
Yes, in our shelter too The Revolution Oct 2022 #81
I watch our local shelter FB page. That's pretty much all there is if you want a healthy & younger LeftInTX Oct 2022 #109
+1 pandr32 Oct 2022 #17
We adopted ours vercetti2021 Oct 2022 #18
I am glad that you are having good luck with her. Chainfire Oct 2022 #25
And to be tenacious when in a fight. marybourg Oct 2022 #28
The owners didn't seem to fit that stereotype MissB Oct 2022 #22
That Lab Look Must Be Quite Dominant! ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #34
The owners fit the stereotype LeftInTX Oct 2022 #145
The pets, Cheech and Mia, were a part of the family for more than eight years without a violent inci IcyPeas Oct 2022 #13
Powerful looking dogs. All animals have the potential to go loopy. Demovictory9 Oct 2022 #19
Exactly. ShazzieB Oct 2022 #157
They go nuts, small percentage of them, sometimes. Edim Oct 2022 #171
Pit bulls can be fine pets and any dog can react at any time. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #24
Then why don't you read stories of chihuahuas, or poodles, PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2022 #27
Great Dane attack uppityperson Oct 2022 #30
First dane attack article I have ever seen questionseverything Oct 2022 #33
Yep. And notice no one ever can post stories of other PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2022 #71
Any large powerful dog can inflict serious injury LeftInTX Oct 2022 #36
Even small dogs can make headlines for gravely injuring people Genki Hikari Oct 2022 #59
You rarely hear about the family dog killing children, other than Pitties. I know they ratchiweenie Oct 2022 #37
Chihuahuas are quite aggressive little so-and-sos as a breed -- but they are also very small... Hekate Oct 2022 #46
You make a good point, the guard dog shouldn't be the family pet questionseverything Oct 2022 #50
Not defending pit bills, but there are lots of incidents involving Rottweilers. Tanuki Oct 2022 #76
I was once almost one of those incidents.... Sogo Oct 2022 #135
Chained to the side of her house. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2022 #148
Because their bites aren't severe enough to make news. sir pball Oct 2022 #88
I will never understand the impulse to make family pets out of this breed. Wingus Dingus Oct 2022 #26
Sometimes that is all that is available at the shelters LeftInTX Oct 2022 #38
They WERE the #1 family dog at one point. Jirel Oct 2022 #48
Do you have a source for this? ShazzieB Oct 2022 #158
I have had tons of dogs MuseRider Oct 2022 #29
The dogs were family pets for 8 years, but the children were only in the household with them for 2 ARPad95 Oct 2022 #39
I would not own one but here are 25 myths about Pit Bulls Quixote1818 Oct 2022 #40
Once again, an ununreasoning pit bull hater. Jirel Oct 2022 #43
When were they the number one family dog? LeftInTX Oct 2022 #58
Pit bull mixes are 6% of the US dog population, 60% of all injuries 867-5309. Oct 2022 #61
Show your math. flvegan Oct 2022 #63
Made me curious, so... Duppers Oct 2022 #83
Cool. Now flvegan Oct 2022 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Oct 2022 #84
Here 867-5309. Oct 2022 #99
See post #62. flvegan Oct 2022 #104
Having almost been finished by one as a kid I respectfully disagree JCMach1 Oct 2022 #75
You sure? flvegan Oct 2022 #78
There are a number of breeds that need to be permanently banned/eliminated JCMach1 Oct 2022 #80
Do you think these two newdayneeded Oct 2022 #129
How very sad. cate94 Oct 2022 #45
Man, back in the day, there would have been several links in a pit bull thread flvegan Oct 2022 #62
Do you have other data 867-5309. Oct 2022 #114
It can happen with any large breed ripcord Oct 2022 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #82
The source of all that data? flvegan Oct 2022 #155
Dogos and Cane Corsas are bad news LeftInTX Oct 2022 #107
Family no longer says they're such sweet dogs dalton99a Oct 2022 #70
You want a baby-sitter, get a golden retriever or a border collie or a Labrador Hekate Oct 2022 #79
Dogs are not baby sitters! If you want a baby sitter, get a human! LeftInTX Oct 2022 #108
I'm scared of animals with enormous strong jaws. betsuni Oct 2022 #85
Pit bulls are loving family dogs; like hell they are roxybear Oct 2022 #86
you are more likley to by hit by lightning than killed by a dog moonshinegnomie Oct 2022 #87
This is all irrelevant if you're the one attacked. roxybear Oct 2022 #89
so ban lawnmowers moonshinegnomie Oct 2022 #91
Not a good comparison. roxybear Oct 2022 #94
Nonsense. betsuni Oct 2022 #90
horses kill an anverage of 20 people per year moonshinegnomie Oct 2022 #93
... betsuni Oct 2022 #95
these comparisons aren't relevant treestar Oct 2022 #153
+1 ShazzieB Oct 2022 #160
A lawnmower type that accounts for 70% of lawnmower deaths would be taken off the market. honest.abe Oct 2022 #96
from a peer reviewed scientific study by the american vet medical association moonshinegnomie Oct 2022 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #113
so its the owner not the breed.... moonshinegnomie Oct 2022 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #150
If there is a death there would be a thorough investigation and likely the animal caught. honest.abe Oct 2022 #139
im willing to bet it isnt moonshinegnomie Oct 2022 #142
Not talking about testing. All they need to do is have a breed expert examine the dog. honest.abe Oct 2022 #144
This message was self-deleted by its author TheBeam19 Oct 2022 #151
Not an accurate comparison. 4.5 million dog bites, 6-12,000 hospitalizations/year USA LeftInTX Oct 2022 #118
Horrific. Yet another pitt bull kills story. honest.abe Oct 2022 #97
The Pit Bull wars are back! BannonsLiver Oct 2022 #100
There are 18 million pitbulls in the US. In 2021 leftyladyfrommo Oct 2022 #102
Hey, I had not very good encounter with an English Bulldog. LeftInTX Oct 2022 #119
Neighbors Have 4 dogs now, 2 pits debm55 Oct 2022 #112
I'm so sorry this happens to you and your husband XanaDUer2 Oct 2022 #115
Thank you. debm55 Oct 2022 #117
Interesting XanaDUer2 Oct 2022 #122
My husband, RoxyBear, has told them that the dog is dangerous. debm55 Oct 2022 #131
"Nanny dog" is pit bull lobby propaganda LeftInTX Oct 2022 #121
Thank you XanaDUer2 Oct 2022 #123
Thank you for the info. debm55 Oct 2022 #133
sorry, forgot to add-- debm55 Oct 2022 #136
Your neighbor's dogs are clearly not nanny dogs. LisaL Oct 2022 #120
I don't understand either. Mariana Oct 2022 #126
My neighbors are MAGA. debm55 Oct 2022 #130
I'm so sorry XanaDUer2 Oct 2022 #132
He's a big mouth drug trumper. debm55 Oct 2022 #134
Our neighbor XanaDUer2 Oct 2022 #137
I agree on pit bulls. mzmolly Oct 2022 #138
You don't hear about herd dogs mauling kids Buckeyeblue Oct 2022 #143
Herding dogs love to protect and take care of kids LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #147
Having pit bulls is like leaving a loaded gun laying around the house. Kaleva Oct 2022 #156
It is NEVER the dog's fault. hamsterjill Oct 2022 #159
Humans should indeed manage dog ownership 867-5309. Oct 2022 #163
Kids' actions are the responsibility of the parents. hamsterjill Oct 2022 #165
A dog that will bite or attack if a kid steps on it or 867-5309. Oct 2022 #166
Have you seen the videos that I referenced? hamsterjill Oct 2022 #167
Please stop trying to pretend it's normal dog behavior to rip children to pieces. Mariana Oct 2022 #168
I'm not saying it's normal behavior. hamsterjill Oct 2022 #169
Can someone please tell me flvegan Oct 2022 #170
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