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Genki Hikari

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34. So why did he drastically increase troops to Vietnam before then?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 08:35 PM
Nov 2022

Strange, the troops Ike had sent to Vietnam by 1960 had been 900. Here are the numbers during the JFK admin:

1961: 3205
1962: 11300
1963: 16300

http://www.americanwarlibrary.com/vietnam/vwatl.htm

So through 1963, JFK had increased the military personnel in Vietnam by a whopping 1800%. Please don't be ridiculous and say that LBJ sent those last 5000 between November 23 and December 31. It wouldn't be true, and we all know it.

Lowering Vietnam personnel by 1000 personnel was barely a 6% reduction in force, and was undoubtedly under consideration because JFK knew he looked bad at home and abroad for supporting Diem--until the South Vietnamese themselves took that thug out only three weeks before JFK himself was assassinated. Politicians dabbling in another country's affairs always start looking for potential outs when that same country goes through a violent transition of power.

I know people don't want to hear this, but in every single year of his Presidency, JFK supported overt and covert actions in Vietnam. Multiple records attest to this. Read the featured reports of the 1961-1963 period listed in the timeline on this page:

https://www.archives.gov/research/vietnam-war

Documents like this one show exactly how much he was committed to inserting military forces into Vietnam:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/193504?objectPage=3

Or how he made it clear he didn't want to pull out of Vietnam unless public sentiment back home forced him to do so? I mean this is what he apparently sent to Diem in a letter in September of 1963:

I have said publicly that we do not wish to cut off our aid program at this time, and I shall not change this position except as such change becomes necessary in response to the democratic processes of this country. But it would be wrong for me not to let you know that such change is inevitable unless the situation in Vietnam can somehow take a major turn for the better.


https://catalog.archives.gov/id/193383

And yet the deteriorating situation in Vietnam wasn't enough to stop JFK'ssupport for South Vietnam exhibited by a two-pronged assault at Da Nang on 11 Nov 1963.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/26392238

So much for wanting to leave Vietnam.

Even if he had asked for RIF plans, plenty of leaders consider alternative courses of action, for a whole lot of reasons, but that doesn't mean they implement any of those alternatives. The chances of JFK changing course aren't very high. He was a hard-core anti-Communist--by his own admission, and by his every action as both a Senator and as POTUS. There's every reason to believe he would have foregone any withdrawal plans when South Vietnam didn't descend into utter chaos after Diem was ousted. Because he certainly didn't seem to be interested in deescalation at Da Nang less than two weeks after Diem got whacked.

In the end, speculation about what JFK wanted to do or would have done is ridiculous. We can only go by what he actually did. And, for most of his term of office, he was quite happy to send military personnel to Vietnam, and to have them engage in a full array of military actions there.

That is reality.

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I wasn't around then... The Unmitigated Gall Nov 2022 #1
WHAT THAT Kennedy was a man of peace who wanted no war? reymega life Nov 2022 #2
no need for confrontation SCantiGOP Nov 2022 #4
He likes to yell in all caps Hekate Nov 2022 #31
I wouldn't have said JFK was perfect, OR The Unmitigated Gall Nov 2022 #6
Kennedy ramped up action in Vietnam LeftInTX Nov 2022 #10
LBJ gave the military everything they wanted. roamer65 Nov 2022 #15
Kennedy was more measured. I have no idea what he would have done however. LeftInTX Nov 2022 #20
True, no proof. roamer65 Nov 2022 #21
Kennedy was strongly opposed to wnylib Nov 2022 #50
LBJ did not "get us into that war." At least try to be accurate when you yell at us in all caps Hekate Nov 2022 #30
Here that whistling sound? MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #39
The country hasn't been the same. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #9
And suddenly slightlv Nov 2022 #3
Kennedy sent my dad to Vietnam in 1963. This is the first I have heard. LeftInTX Nov 2022 #11
Nixon sent my Dad mahina Nov 2022 #33
Johnson also sent my dad. My dad was career military LeftInTX Nov 2022 #40
Me, too. I was 6. Thought the world would never be the same. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #14
And yet he was still pushing the domino theory, thucythucy Nov 2022 #5
I know. He sent my dad twice. One time was in spring of 1963 LeftInTX Nov 2022 #8
Fresh in his mind, I'm sure, was how the Republicans exploited thucythucy Nov 2022 #12
He was an anti communist hawk but grantcart Nov 2022 #22
JFK did not green light Diem assassination. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #53
See 35 grantcart Nov 2022 #54
In the same interview, he also said it's Vietnam's fight. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #17
He also said, "These people who say we ought to withdraw from Vietnam thucythucy Nov 2022 #18
Great points and questions. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #24
I honestly have no idea what Kennedy would have done thucythucy Nov 2022 #26
Kennedy sent my dad to Vietnam twice... LeftInTX Nov 2022 #7
I thank your father for his service to our country. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #16
I don't want to rant about conspiracy theories Crazyleftie Nov 2022 #13
Many do NAZI anything wrong with them. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #19
Have you ever thought the assassination was actually the coup by PatrickforB Nov 2022 #23
MIC is where Wall Street meets The Pentagon. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #28
My father said H2O Man Nov 2022 #46
An Interegnum of Peace Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #48
I saw that one H2O Man Nov 2022 #49
Also. the President Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2022 #25
JFK battled Wall Street and Big Business Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #47
My father was a linguistic expert gopiscrap Nov 2022 #27
Sorry to hear, must have been devastating to your family. grantcart Nov 2022 #29
it was, my mom and I were immigrants gopiscrap Nov 2022 #36
What a bummer. I'm so sorry LeftInTX Nov 2022 #41
Please accept my heartfelt condolences. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #51
thank you gopiscrap Nov 2022 #56
I remember hearing about this from a Mae Brussels radio rant back in the 70's Fiendish Thingy Nov 2022 #32
Mae Brussell was fearless and wise. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #52
So why did he drastically increase troops to Vietnam before then? Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #34
Plus, He Was RobinA Nov 2022 #55
Those are facts, measures of present and past policies. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #58
Not an expert in Vietnamese history but to deduce that a document proposing withdrawal didn't have grantcart Nov 2022 #35
A "more Jesuit approach" Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #71
Diem was a manipulator of the CIA much as the contemporary Saudi and Pakistani Ford_Prefect Nov 2022 #37
Angus Mackenzie wrote in "SECRETS: The CIA's War at Home"... Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #59
MacNamara zipplewrath Nov 2022 #38
"What Kennedy knew, didn't know, or intended to do is always going to be nothing more than a guess." ShazzieB Nov 2022 #43
Alternative history. NNadir Nov 2022 #42
Here are relevant records, including NSAM 263 and NSAM 273 Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #61
Kennedy was an unapologetic cold warrior who campaigned in 1960 on a non-existent "missile gap." NNadir Nov 2022 #62
Thanks for your post. David__77 Nov 2022 #63
Sorry to read you think that way. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #64
President Eisenhower could have agreed to the 1954 Geneva Accord Dysfunctional Nov 2022 #44
Tragic how nations can ignore the United Nations when necessary. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #66
Interesting thread burrowowl Nov 2022 #45
Thanks, burrowowl. Colonialism was root of problem and un-American. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #67
So much died 59 years ago Martin Eden Nov 2022 #57
Thus, the many who work to destroy JFK's legacy. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #68
The information in the OP does not match the headline. former9thward Nov 2022 #60
Sorry to confuse you. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #70
every so often folks need to white wash jfk to improve his hero image. dembotoz Nov 2022 #65
No, not really. Kid Berwyn Nov 2022 #69
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