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208. What?

Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:17 PM

Dec 2022

"without religion, we wouldn't have abortion bans"

That's a strange statement. Religion is a huge part if human existence and has been for, what, all of recorded human history?

If humans evolved from egg-laying mammals, there might not be abortion bans either. But that isn't the world we live in.

You could also come up with a pretty logical argument against abortion that doesn't require religion. You basically just have to say life begins at conception, which is not outrageous from a biological perspective. Then just say preserving that life is the most important thing, even superceeding another person's rights to bodily atonomy. There's an argument for banning abortion that doesn't invoke God. Whether or not that would be a popular view in a fictional world that has no religion is pretty much unknownable.

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Pretty disgusted with all the god stuff in Warnock's speech (nt) [View all] NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 OP

Too bad. Cha Dec 2022 #1

Bwah! electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #78

Yes. It's that "Democrats can be too big of a tent" thing. betsuni Dec 2022 #142

As an athiest, I'll take talk about God over talk about vampires and werewolves any day! Towlie Dec 2022 #220

lol... well there ya go! Cha Dec 2022 #221

He's the pastor of Martin Luther King's church relayerbob Dec 2022 #2

Yeah get over it. What matters is, does he practice what he preaches. vlyons Dec 2022 #41

Yes! MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #61

Oh, I'd forgotten he's Pastor of MLK's church! Wow, righteous! electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #81

He's a pastor. What did you expect? Ocelot II Dec 2022 #3

Agree totally! He uses his Christianity the way it should be...loving all hating none PortTack Dec 2022 #137

He's a minister. MiniMe Dec 2022 #4

And he expressed love for his mother too. How outrageous. grantcart Dec 2022 #5

Beyond outrageous! H2O Man Dec 2022 #76

you have such a dry sense of humor CatWoman Dec 2022 #164

The frikkin' fact that she was picking cotton way back, and now her son has achieved a full Senate.. electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #83

He is a preacher Botany Dec 2022 #6

He's a preacher... Wednesdays Dec 2022 #7

Meh...he's a preacher... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #8

Why? He is a preacher. Claustrum Dec 2022 #9

👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #86

He's the pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church (MLK's own church) hlthe2b Dec 2022 #10

OP sounds SO negative and not what the USA is all about. I wish this thread had not been posted Trueblue1968 Dec 2022 #47

Why? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #163

+1 Arazi Dec 2022 #166

True, but that does not prohibit individuals who are in government from being religious. Caliman73 Dec 2022 #195

Fully understand that. The issue for me is that it is exculsionary. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #197

I feel no exclusion. He is talking about his personal beliefs, which are shared by many. Caliman73 Dec 2022 #205

It's not that I don't have use for it; it's that it doesn't belong in our government. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #206

And our secular government allows freedom of speech even for lawmakers ripcord Dec 2022 #242

I agree.. it is a form of bigotry. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #199

John Lewis was a member of that church LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #128

Why? He's a pastor. GP6971 Dec 2022 #11

What's wrong with you? qazplm135 Dec 2022 #12

He's a preacher. Sogo Dec 2022 #13

That's just who he is. ananda Dec 2022 #14

You don't know anything about Sen Warnock, do you? SYFROYH Dec 2022 #15

👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #92

Kudos to you..setting a high standard! PortTack Dec 2022 #138

That's odd since everyone knows he is a preacher. blm Dec 2022 #16

Yes I do NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 #23

It's who he is, so it's not faked like those blm Dec 2022 #53

Ty electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #95

Right. H2O Man Dec 2022 #80

I don't think railing against it helps Dorian Gray Dec 2022 #146

You do understand that religion informs people's worldview right? Caliman73 Dec 2022 #196

thank you Skittles Dec 2022 #228

He's not forcing his beliefs on anyone but he has a right ecstatic Dec 2022 #17

THIS!! Samrob Dec 2022 #56

You couldn't give us one whole night to be happy Glorfindel Dec 2022 #18

He has his god, I have none, just a choice Lemonwurst Dec 2022 #19

And Senator/Reverend Warnock is not insisting his god must be yours, Ocelot II Dec 2022 #28

That's all you got? ornotna Dec 2022 #20

Would you have prefered Walker? Polybius Dec 2022 #21

Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #26

So is that a yes? Polybius Dec 2022 #33

Lol Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #108

I was disgusted at the phony God stuff that Trump tried to sell. tavernier Dec 2022 #22

I know it is NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 #29

If you know Warnock is genuine in his faith, why call him out? MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #54

Why bring that supernatural b.s. into a secular process? Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #109

Because everyone is free to thank god Dorian Gray Dec 2022 #147

Why not for once have someone represent what Christianity is SUPPOSED to be? AntivaxHunters Dec 2022 #157

Thank you! JanLip Dec 2022 #182

Ummm, because it's a free country? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #174

He's also free to not say it in a political context. He can save it for his parishoners. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #184

Preach it! inthewind21 Dec 2022 #185

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #225

He made the choice that is his choice to make. Caliman73 Dec 2022 #204

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. nt MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #224

go to bed chillfactor Dec 2022 #24

I get as annoyed with people's reverence to magical creatures as anyone Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #25

This thread equals dumb thread. MontanaFarmer Dec 2022 #27

Of course I supported him, and I do know his excellent voting record NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 #32

Right jcgoldie Dec 2022 #46

ok, you have a different agenda Shellback Squid Dec 2022 #30

What is wrong with you?? He's a pastor!! Pisces Dec 2022 #31

Pretty disgusted that you're putting up an intentionally divisive post Sogo Dec 2022 #34

As a Jew, I really admire Senator Warren LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #131

This! AKwannabe Dec 2022 #134

He's also lifted up multiple Jewish people in the speech Clash City Rocker Dec 2022 #35

Not inclusive of atheists. NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 #40

Okay, so you just wanted him to lose Clash City Rocker Dec 2022 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Dec 2022 #123

Do you even know who Viola Liuzzo & Chaney, Schwerner & Goodman were? They were murdered... Hekate Dec 2022 #139

Thank you for this background Dorian Gray Dec 2022 #148

You are more than welcome Hekate Dec 2022 #227

As an atheist personally, I'm loving this speech. Grown2Hate Dec 2022 #36

Great speech in general, but, yeah, I'm beyond sick of Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #37

Yes. Thank you. NoRethugFriends Dec 2022 #38

IMO, there's no need to bring supernatural nonsense into Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #49

Well, you know the old saying, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #175

*sigh* Please don't. nolabear Dec 2022 #39

There are Christian Democrats. I'm one! MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #42

i am too ... Rev Warnock is wonderful Trueblue1968 Dec 2022 #51

He is! So are many of our Dems! We all love Pelosi, MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #58

Totally agree! JanLip Dec 2022 #183

Elect a pastor, you get a sermon. Stinky The Clown Dec 2022 #43

This atheist loves Warnock. Pinback Dec 2022 #44

Fully agree with your last sentence. wnylib Dec 2022 #125

JESUS aquaman Dec 2022 #45

He's a preacher, isn't he ??? DemocraticPatriot Dec 2022 #48

We could use a few more religious guys like Warnock in the Senate. GoodRaisin Dec 2022 #50

I finally found the link... blame me DemocraticPatriot Dec 2022 #55

I do also. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #200

Well I consider myself a Christian progressive mvd Dec 2022 #57

It wasn't. It was just a good man's acceptance speech. MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #60

Agreed mvd Dec 2022 #62

There was absolutely nothing threatening in Reverend Warnock speech. MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #64

I don't see it as derogatory. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #71

I'm sure you feel better now, go in peace. MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #84

I don't, but peace be unto you too. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #87

I'm sorry, vetting is often cleansing. I thank you for wishing me also peace. MerryBlooms Dec 2022 #99

So inthewind21 Dec 2022 #189

Agreed relayerbob Dec 2022 #91

+1, uponit7771 Dec 2022 #172

While I'd rather see politics more secular as an atheist, since Warnock has no agenda... Silent3 Dec 2022 #59

I'm an atheist, Lefta Dissenter Dec 2022 #63

Ty 👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #103

Some people will try to kill the joy in every moment marmar Dec 2022 #65

It's not a killjoy. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #68

And nothing he said indicates he's forcing religion on anybody.... marmar Dec 2022 #72

Not at all. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #77

Unless you're a Georgia voter you're not "hiring" him for anything marmar Dec 2022 #90

Do the things he votes on apply only to Georgia voters? FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #96

Agreed. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #66

Some people insist on pissing inside our big tent. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #67

And some would like to throw out all who don't see things their way. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #69

Is that a confession? Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #70

Not at all. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #73

There is no "religious test" here. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #79

You're wrong. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #82

LOL. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #89

No, I clearly am the one who does understand that. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #98

You don't understand that someone speaking about their faith isn't a "religious test." Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #100

What does anyone's "faith" have to do with their qualifications for a job? FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #104

Changing the goalposts now that your argument about the Constitution crapped out? Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #105

I changed nothing, but of course you know that. FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #107

Denialism is strong with you. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #112

Okay, allow me H2O Man Dec 2022 #121

Love you man! Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #122

He's no being "evangelical" he's not forcing you to believe electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #106

Do you know why that article says wnylib Dec 2022 #126

I strongly disagree with your interpretation of the Constitution LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #129

No, you very clearly don't. Jedi Guy Dec 2022 #168

Are you saying that no politician can mention "God" in their speech? Polybius Dec 2022 #194

And just who is trying to throw anyone out of our big tent? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #179

Gosh. H2O Man Dec 2022 #74

Uhhhh... He's a Reverand... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #75

Is the job of Senator FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #85

The speech H2O Man Dec 2022 #88

Is he not a Senator now? FoxNewsSucks Dec 2022 #94

Perhaps you are unaware, H2O Man Dec 2022 #114

Some advice inthewind21 Dec 2022 #193

This is his victory speech. Doesn't mean he's going to spend most or anytime "sermonizing" in The .. electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #113

It appears that H2O Man Dec 2022 #116

Got it. 👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #118

I Think RobinA Dec 2022 #247

Exactly. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #192

One person's "nonesense"... old as dirt Dec 2022 #210

Amen.... aquaman Dec 2022 #93

👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #111

Biden often references God in his speeches sarisataka Dec 2022 #97

Personally, I wish he wouldn't. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #187

Well it Is a free country. Nothing wrong with having faith. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #201

"Faith" has done untold harm to this nation and to the planet. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #202

Let's play shoe on the other foot, out of curiosity GusBob Dec 2022 #101

You know it. This is a pretty epic swarm we got going here in response Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #212

if i recall correctly, it was complete shoe on the other foot GusBob Dec 2022 #213

Personally, I have no problem with Warnock referring to god. Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #214

Agreed GusBob Dec 2022 #218

Why Would We RobinA Dec 2022 #248

But the reaction here has not been the same GusBob Dec 2022 #250

There would be actual criticism of Hucklebee. old as dirt Dec 2022 #251

This is still America, still a Democracy, and it still has a constitution which guarantees liberty lees1975 Dec 2022 #102

Ty! electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #110

Better coming from Warnock... DemocraticPatriot Dec 2022 #115

As a non-religious, it doesn't bother me at all XorXor Dec 2022 #117

Newsflash: Freedom of religion is in the very first amendment... brush Dec 2022 #119

He's a minister Hekate Dec 2022 #120

Listening now (rerun) & it is a great speech, full of the oral poetry of the Black South Hekate Dec 2022 #124

Welcome to DU. As an atheist, I'd rather have Warnock, who practices his belief's GoneOffShore Dec 2022 #127

Yes, horses for courses. Celerity Dec 2022 #132

A vote is a type of prayer for the type of world we desire LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #130

I watched his speech when MSNBC ran it a second time. Senator Rev. Warnock is very special... Hekate Dec 2022 #140

He. Is. A. Pastor. AKwannabe Dec 2022 #133

Can anyone point to even one piece of legislation where he seems to broach Church/State? Kennah Dec 2022 #135

I don't think the OP has ANY friends! Cattledog Dec 2022 #136

Op has one or two here cheering on. nt MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #181

I never heard it DFW Dec 2022 #141

He's being authentic. Thought that was good. betsuni Dec 2022 #143

Depends On What RobinA Dec 2022 #249

What does that mean? betsuni Dec 2022 #253

Sure, Jan obamanut2012 Dec 2022 #144

Perhaps NoRFriends needs us to call the manager? GoneOffShore Dec 2022 #153

Think positive and see it as a counterweight. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2022 #145

Keep church and state separate malaise Dec 2022 #149

Has he not jeep (kept) church and state separate? betsuni Dec 2022 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Dec 2022 #150

Don't worry. You'll get over it in a minute or two. n/t LuckyCharms Dec 2022 #152

Pretty ecstatic that Karma13612 Dec 2022 #154

He's a pastor. AngryOldDem Dec 2022 #155

This thread may hold a record: PCIntern Dec 2022 #156

Possibly two records sarisataka Dec 2022 #165

If you were actually disgusted, you'd have stopped watching it. Kaleva Dec 2022 #158

Isn't he a Reverend? ellie Dec 2022 #159

Cope Tarc Dec 2022 #160

Sounds serious. Torchlight Dec 2022 #161

Here's the text of the offending speech in full. old as dirt Dec 2022 #162

Glad to see your comment receiving the scorn it deserves. Paladin Dec 2022 #167

Im not disgusted but I too wish there was far far less of this bullshit Arazi Dec 2022 #169

Amen Emile Dec 2022 #178

Same. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #188

Shocking that REVEREND Warnock would be referencing God. Crunchy Frog Dec 2022 #170

He's a minister mcar Dec 2022 #171

Yeah? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2022 #173

Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #176

That's like being disgusted with all of the football stuff coming from Tom Brady. Renew Deal Dec 2022 #177

That's who he is and he isn't changing for you, me, or anybody. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2022 #180

Isn't he, like, a Pastor? ismnotwasm Dec 2022 #186

The African American church is an essential crucible for political and social justice mobilization iemanja Dec 2022 #190

You'll be alright. Rub some dirt on it and walk it off. BannonsLiver Dec 2022 #191

Pretty disgusted by this post. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #198

The post right above yours suggests you rub some dirt on it and walk it off. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #207

What? The Revolution Dec 2022 #208

"life begins at conception, which is not outrageous from a biological perspective" Yeah, it is Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #209

Obviously The Revolution Dec 2022 #215

You should've been here around the time of Obama's first inauguration Rob H. Dec 2022 #203

Come to think of it.... That was strange on Obama's part. Willis88 Dec 2022 #241

He's a Christian minister. yardwork Dec 2022 #211

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2022 #216

One thing i really really believe here. bluestarone Dec 2022 #217

For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #219

Good on you for raising this topic. Music Man Dec 2022 #222

+1 leftstreet Dec 2022 #223

+2 Emile Dec 2022 #226

I can see why people are hesitant to point it out Skittles Dec 2022 #229

Great post. Celerity Dec 2022 #230

+5 Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #232

Disgust with Sen. Warnock's culture... old as dirt Dec 2022 #233

Kay. Then by all means, keep up this absurd pile-on because you disagree Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #235

If you see my posting the actual content... old as dirt Dec 2022 #238

It's all about context with me. AngryOldDem Dec 2022 #236

I'm Throwing My Lot In With This Clique. ruet Dec 2022 #246

He's in the Bible Belt and needs the support of people of faith cherish44 Dec 2022 #231

No God, no Warnock, no senate majority. Count your blessings. nt oasis Dec 2022 #234

ok Francis Shellback Squid Dec 2022 #237

Why? kentuck Dec 2022 #239

Rev. Warnock was arrested for praying in the Rotunda in 2017. old as dirt Dec 2022 #240

I am honestly amazed at how many people wrongly believe they have a right to freedom from religion ripcord Dec 2022 #243

This is culturally part of the language of resistance in the African JCMach1 Dec 2022 #244

This is true of my wife's culture as well. old as dirt Dec 2022 #245

++ JCMach1 Dec 2022 #252

+1 Yes, the Democratic Party is not "too big of a tent." betsuni Dec 2022 #254