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In reply to the discussion: AOC on the Pentagon budget. [View all]H2O Man
(79,053 posts)26. Gosh.
Have you ever considered that the word "social," as in "social programs," has a root found in "socialism"?
Now, let's take a look at FDR, shall we? And let's consider an economist that he relied upon, both in Albany and DC. I'll speculate that you aren't familiar with him. Leland Olds was, by every definition, a democratic socialist. I know that you aren't able to grasp the distinction between a political and economic practice, yet they exist. Leland would be perhaps the best example. Under FDR, for example, Olds was appointed to the NYS Power Authority while FDR was governor, and to the Federal Power Commission in DC, where he served as chairperson.
Despite being viciously attacked for being a socialist, primarily due to his support of railroad workers' unions, Olds brought electricity to rural America. That included to the farm my family lived on. They were all railroad workers and union activists. Aunt Mary, a charter member of the Order of Railroad Telegraphers' Union, was an associate of Leland's. This brings us to the "socialism" that resulted in Twain's references to the Gilded Era.
Clearly, you were not in any university classroom where I taught, or you would know that -- for but one example -- between 1865 and 1900, the federal government gave (not sold) the railroad barons a quarter-million square miles of land. That might be near impossible for you to understand, so let's make it easier (oreasiest) for you: that's more than the combined states of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. Now, in your opinion, what economic theory justifies that?
I could attempt to compete with what you claim to be your education by mentioning my having taught at two NYS universities. But I would rather note that I got a 97 on my social studies mid-term in the 8th grade. By then, I had learned the distinction between political and economic theory, as well as the overlap. Keep studying! You can learn this stuff!
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You know well as I do nothing anyone said would have changed it. She knew it, she voted against it
Autumn
Dec 2022
#25
If only more taxpayers would push for things like healthcare and ending homelessness.
Hermit-The-Prog
Dec 2022
#28
Yes of course, but it is still cheaper for the US to pay Ukraine to fight for us.
Irish_Dem
Dec 2022
#8
Must disagree on some basics. The military, roadbuilding, schools, hospitals, fire departments, etc.
Just A Box Of Rain
Dec 2022
#18
Again, Confucius requires me to push back on the absurdist suggestion that liberal social programs
Just A Box Of Rain
Dec 2022
#23
I think "anti-capitalist" and "late stage capitalism" are the passwords to the club where
betsuni
Dec 2022
#61
The myth that the true roots of the Democratic Party are socialist, that FDR/LBJ
betsuni
Dec 2022
#32
I'm still waiting to hear the answer to which socialist state--now or in the past 100 years or so--
Just A Box Of Rain
Dec 2022
#35
LBJ had all sorts of opponents. Ones on the far-right and ones on the far-left.
Just A Box Of Rain
Dec 2022
#40
A lot to unpack here, including personal insults, mischaracterizations, and outright falsehoods.
Just A Box Of Rain
Dec 2022
#45
The tax payers are the people who pay for those things, like building schools, roads etc, etc.
panader0
Dec 2022
#36
So what? People paying taxes isn't "socialism" under any accepted definition of the term.
Just A Box Of Rain
Dec 2022
#37
Your "other friend" will take the lack of response to the question I asked multiple times
Just A Box Of Rain
Dec 2022
#41
No, It is a question that's germane in countries all over the world.
Just A Box Of Rain
Dec 2022
#48
This is the second time you have falsely accused me of questioning why you are here.
Just A Box Of Rain
Dec 2022
#50
Indeed. Built socialist regiemes tend to increase human misery rather than relieving it.
Just A Box Of Rain
Dec 2022
#56