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H2O Man

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38. Yet you ignore
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:12 PM
Dec 2022

what his other opponents said about the Great Society. Don't limit yourself to the millions of citizens that disliked LBJ for a variety of other reasons. Look at what republicans said about his Great Society.

The US was created when merchantilism was the primary economic policy.

I understand that you are against centralized socialism. I agree with that. At the same time, I am opposed to efforts by republicans to privatize Social Security -- which is one example of our mixed economy. It's a government-run program that is essential. Putting it on the open market is a terrible republican party idea. Likewise, where there are mental health providers in private practice, it's a good thing that there are public mental health clinics -- funded by local, state, and federal money -- that are great examples of a mixed economy.

I'm confident that I have been a Democrat as long as anyone here. I've always voted for Democrats, never a single Socialist. I belong to the (Senator) RFK, Jesse Jackson, Bernie Sanders, AOC wing. I recognize that we are in the minority. I also understand that we are at a point in time where everyone not only should be voting for Democratic candidates, but should be donating -- time, money, or both -- with their campaigns. Again, I will gladly compare my history of working on Democratic candidates' to anyone here.

I live in rural, upstate New York. The majority of the food banks serving the region ran out of supplies at Thanksgiving week. Several are still without adequate supplies for the coming holiday. I definitely agree with AOC that more federal spending should go to feeding the hungry. For just one example, kids that eat a good diet have a better foundation for doing well in school. It's not the only factor, of course. But it was the primary reason the school my daughters graduated from, ans while I served on the board of education, expanded its food programs. Free breakfasts, even in the summer months, just as the Black Panthers were doing in the LBJ era.

If a person has never experienced poverty, and hence have limited insight to what that involves, they are perhaps more likely to find AOC's ideas offensively socialist. I grew up poor -- at times really poor -- and had an episode of it as a young adult. Addressing the social issues has to recognize it will take generations at this point. But it can be done, though only by the Democratic Party. And it is more likely to come with AOC and more like her being elected.

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If only she knew some elected legislators n/t leftstreet Dec 2022 #1
Not only that but the House already passed it. jimfields33 Dec 2022 #4
You know well as I do nothing anyone said would have changed it. She knew it, she voted against it Autumn Dec 2022 #25
If only more taxpayers would push for things like healthcare and ending homelessness. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #28
They 'push for it' when voting for politicians campaigning on it leftstreet Dec 2022 #42
If humans were not so dangerous and murderous, we could have a lovely planet. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #2
Ukraine thanks us. We take care of the world so they don't have to jimfields33 Dec 2022 #5
We are the ones who should thank Ukraine. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #6
I understand that part. I'm talking financially. jimfields33 Dec 2022 #7
Yes of course, but it is still cheaper for the US to pay Ukraine to fight for us. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #8
How much unaccounted for money has the Pentagon amassed? GreenWave Dec 2022 #3
We will never know because it is always hidden money. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #9
the big stick llashram Dec 2022 #10
Smart to put it that way... Kid Berwyn Dec 2022 #11
+1 H2O Man Dec 2022 #13
We can make jokes about socialism Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #12
Those darned socialists!!!!! H2O Man Dec 2022 #14
Being a Soviet apparatchik was Putin's path to power. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #15
I'm glad you H2O Man Dec 2022 #17
Must disagree on some basics. The military, roadbuilding, schools, hospitals, fire departments, etc. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #18
Really? H2O Man Dec 2022 #19
I agree with Confucius. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #20
You are funny! H2O Man Dec 2022 #21
One more thing: H2O Man Dec 2022 #22
Again, Confucius requires me to push back on the absurdist suggestion that liberal social programs Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #23
Gosh. H2O Man Dec 2022 #26
I think Confucius would get a big laugh from the arguement that Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #30
If socialism must claim the achievements of capitalist systems Hortensis Dec 2022 #54
I think "anti-capitalist" and "late stage capitalism" are the passwords to the club where betsuni Dec 2022 #61
Oh, yes. And claiming an AMC Gremlin is actually a Toyota Camry Hortensis Dec 2022 #62
The myth that the true roots of the Democratic Party are socialist, that FDR/LBJ betsuni Dec 2022 #32
Correct. This is gaslighting at its worst. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #33
Very gassy, and the obligatory personal insults. betsuni Dec 2022 #34
I'm still waiting to hear the answer to which socialist state--now or in the past 100 years or so-- Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #35
Yet you ignore H2O Man Dec 2022 #38
LBJ had all sorts of opponents. Ones on the far-right and ones on the far-left. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #40
Feeding the poor H2O Man Dec 2022 #43
A lot to unpack here, including personal insults, mischaracterizations, and outright falsehoods. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #45
The tax payers are the people who pay for those things, like building schools, roads etc, etc. panader0 Dec 2022 #36
So what? People paying taxes isn't "socialism" under any accepted definition of the term. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #37
As my friend Rubin H2O Man Dec 2022 #39
Your "other friend" will take the lack of response to the question I asked multiple times Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #41
It's a non-question. H2O Man Dec 2022 #44
It is hardly a non-question. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #46
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #47
No, It is a question that's germane in countries all over the world. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #48
Actually, I post H2O Man Dec 2022 #49
This is the second time you have falsely accused me of questioning why you are here. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #50
Hey! H2O Man Dec 2022 #52
Sleep well. I'm rather bushed myself. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #53
Publicly funded infrastructure and services Zeitghost Dec 2022 #57
Good response Hekate Dec 2022 #51
Peace begins when the hungry are fed. intheflow Dec 2022 #55
Indeed. Built socialist regiemes tend to increase human misery rather than relieving it. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #56
"Bombing for peace is like fucking for celibacy" Zeitghost Dec 2022 #58
Bombing is permitted in self-defencse. intheflow Dec 2022 #59
Which is the detail that is completely lost Zeitghost Dec 2022 #60
Exactly! mvd Dec 2022 #16
some data points melm00se Dec 2022 #24
It's obscene, folks. /eom Xoan Dec 2022 #27
Whatever else it may be, Mr.Bill Dec 2022 #29
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