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In reply to the discussion: Why does MAGA hate Ukraine and love Russia? [View all]usonian
(27,032 posts)22. Some recent history to peruse.
Democracy in Crisis: Weve Been Headed Here for Decades. Part 1of 8
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/6/2044226/-America-2021-The-Good-the-Bad-the-Ugly
Read all 8 to get the "plan" in detail.
This is all a Russian plan. Started years ago.
https://pastebin.com/raw/evbnN5y7
snippets: (article is mine/opinion)
While legislators and DOJ investigate a failed coup attempt at the Capitol, a successful coup has overtaken the USSC, which is dismantling the Constitution in an effort concerted with right-wing domestic terrorists, the GOP, oligarchs, Christian Nationalists and others, a Mitchavillian (!) scheme that follows the Russian strategy to divide and destroy the United States:
Simply put, Normalize hate and violence. Stochastic terrorism. Bring down elected government and democratic processes. This was also seen in 30s Germany,
We are in a state of emergency, and are today divided into slave and free states.
The suspected instigator and supporter, Russia, has proven itself to be a third-rate power, relying on agents within the U.S. who sabotage the U.S. with acts of terrorism, insurrection and sedition, a second civil war.
Pieces of the puzzle fit perfectly. They involve: The RW shift from issues to outright terrorism and Russian messaging, Russias dependence on oil, their State-Adopted Religion and white dominance, long-term plans to annex Ukraine, divisive bot posts on social media, a major news outlet praising Putin, sponsorship of NRA to encourage mob rule, fear and domestic terrorism over constitutional government. (more detail below)
HOW DO WE KNOW THIS?
When you start with the premise that Russia has instigated a campaign of disruption in the U.S. to bolster its aims, ALL the pieces fit together perfectly.
1. The conservative movement took a hard swing right from its Limbaugh days of conservative issues and hate to pure hate and destruction. This coincides with the breakup of the Soviet Union. Anti-Soviet messaging ceased.
2. Russias economy is extremely oil-dependent. Oil interests control many legislators, and reap massive subsidies and favors.
3. Russia is an Orthodox Christian in name only, mostly white state. The church blesses nuclear warheads and Putin has declared his intention to expand his White Christian Nationalism.
4. Putin wants Ukraine. Arguably, that is the cause of his interference in the 2015 election to install an asset as president and weaken NATO, effectively delivering him Ukraine.
5. Bots spread lies and divisive messages to get Americans to fight one another.
6. A major news outlet repeatedly praises Putin, when theres nothing apparent to gain by doing so. On the surface, anyway.
7. Russia financed and infiltrated the NRA with the goal of replacing constitutional government with mob rule, and domestic terrorism.
8. It is the M.O. of fiends to get people to believe in causes that are against their own best interest.
9. And yet! When a dictator takes power, their beloved freedom fighters become their biggest threat, so AWAY WITH YOUR GUNS. Courts that destroyed constitutional law to put them in place become useless baggage, so SAY GOODBYE.
10. The abortion issue is just the first volley. They have others at the ready, and are working top-down and bottom-up to destroy constitutional rights, the constitution and the country, and hand it over.
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/6/2044226/-America-2021-The-Good-the-Bad-the-Ugly
Read all 8 to get the "plan" in detail.
This is all a Russian plan. Started years ago.
https://pastebin.com/raw/evbnN5y7
snippets: (article is mine/opinion)
While legislators and DOJ investigate a failed coup attempt at the Capitol, a successful coup has overtaken the USSC, which is dismantling the Constitution in an effort concerted with right-wing domestic terrorists, the GOP, oligarchs, Christian Nationalists and others, a Mitchavillian (!) scheme that follows the Russian strategy to divide and destroy the United States:
Simply put, Normalize hate and violence. Stochastic terrorism. Bring down elected government and democratic processes. This was also seen in 30s Germany,
We are in a state of emergency, and are today divided into slave and free states.
The suspected instigator and supporter, Russia, has proven itself to be a third-rate power, relying on agents within the U.S. who sabotage the U.S. with acts of terrorism, insurrection and sedition, a second civil war.
Pieces of the puzzle fit perfectly. They involve: The RW shift from issues to outright terrorism and Russian messaging, Russias dependence on oil, their State-Adopted Religion and white dominance, long-term plans to annex Ukraine, divisive bot posts on social media, a major news outlet praising Putin, sponsorship of NRA to encourage mob rule, fear and domestic terrorism over constitutional government. (more detail below)
HOW DO WE KNOW THIS?
When you start with the premise that Russia has instigated a campaign of disruption in the U.S. to bolster its aims, ALL the pieces fit together perfectly.
1. The conservative movement took a hard swing right from its Limbaugh days of conservative issues and hate to pure hate and destruction. This coincides with the breakup of the Soviet Union. Anti-Soviet messaging ceased.
2. Russias economy is extremely oil-dependent. Oil interests control many legislators, and reap massive subsidies and favors.
3. Russia is an Orthodox Christian in name only, mostly white state. The church blesses nuclear warheads and Putin has declared his intention to expand his White Christian Nationalism.
4. Putin wants Ukraine. Arguably, that is the cause of his interference in the 2015 election to install an asset as president and weaken NATO, effectively delivering him Ukraine.
5. Bots spread lies and divisive messages to get Americans to fight one another.
6. A major news outlet repeatedly praises Putin, when theres nothing apparent to gain by doing so. On the surface, anyway.
7. Russia financed and infiltrated the NRA with the goal of replacing constitutional government with mob rule, and domestic terrorism.
8. It is the M.O. of fiends to get people to believe in causes that are against their own best interest.
9. And yet! When a dictator takes power, their beloved freedom fighters become their biggest threat, so AWAY WITH YOUR GUNS. Courts that destroyed constitutional law to put them in place become useless baggage, so SAY GOODBYE.
10. The abortion issue is just the first volley. They have others at the ready, and are working top-down and bottom-up to destroy constitutional rights, the constitution and the country, and hand it over.
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Because the entire movement is about a single person who is beholden to Russia. NT
Bleacher Creature
Dec 2022
#17
Need to go a level lower. They'll eat whatever shit they're fed by GOP. Once Dump is gone,
kysrsoze
Dec 2022
#18
They hate Ukraine because they think Biden is operating bio labs there and Hunter is covering it up
Runningdawg
Dec 2022
#39
You have no idea what a powerful question that is.. and how the answer is almost too scary
Peacetrain
Dec 2022
#41
Bc populists will support anything that will propogate their racism and antisemitism
FlyingPiggy
Dec 2022
#44
They have been for Russia taking Ukrane since at least the Feb 2014 invasion.
mackdaddy
Dec 2022
#47