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Beautiful Disaster

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61. Trump in 2020 did as well in the Detroit region as Romney.
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 09:57 PM
Jan 2023

Maybe just a smidgen better and yet lost Michigan by much less than Romney. Why do you think that is? Here's a hint: Romney didn't do nearly as well in rural counties as Trump.

Places like Monroe County,which is considered mostly rural.

In 2012, Obama won Monroe County 50-49. In 2020, Trump won it 60-38.

In 2016, he won it 58-36.

In a four year span, the Democrats lost 14 points off their 2012 total and the Republicans gained nine points for a swing of 23 points.

There's dozens of examples like this throughout Michigan and Pennsylvania. Counties Obama either won very narrowly or lost very narrowly, rural counties outside the major metros, that Hillary and Biden lost by massive margins.

In fact, in Washtenaw, home to Ann Arbor, Biden actually did better than Obama in 2012. He won that county 72-26. In 2012, Obama won it over Romney 67-31.

Despite that, Obama did nearly seven points better than Biden statewide. Why? Because again, Trump decimated Biden in all those rural counties.

That's what cost Hillary the state in 2016 (she too did better than Obama in Washtenaw). Trump doesn't win Michigan in 2016 and it's not close in 2020 if he pulls in rural numbers like Romney did in 2012. That's a reality. Trump's rural support is what made all the difference, not his urban support or Republicans would be winning these states in other elections and that's just not happening.

So, yes, it's a rural issue.

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Purposely ignorant. LakeArenal Jan 2023 #3
I live in suburban bright blue Olympia, WA and I hear the same shit Kennah Jan 2023 #4
Because Fox Noise and the right wing media creates la la land. Claustrum Jan 2023 #5
What scares me most ClimateHawk Jan 2023 #13
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And also the people who hold progressive views (and seek higher education) Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #12
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Totally agree. Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #44
Then why are most Trump voters in MI from urban or mostly urban counties? Kaleva Jan 2023 #30
Because there is a very important difference between absolute numbers and percentages DBoon Jan 2023 #48
Trump won some of the urban counties in Michigan Kaleva Jan 2023 #50
Define "urban." Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #57
Trump won Macomb County 263,863 votes to Biden's 223,952 Kaleva Jan 2023 #58
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Prices have gone up where I live (not U.S.) quite noticeably lately and some things unavailable. betsuni Jan 2023 #49
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Yes 🙂. And young people! They are more likely to question what they hear and seek the truth. Ziggysmom Jan 2023 #11
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in... myohmy2 Jan 2023 #21
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The great majority of Trump voters in MI lived in urban to mostly urban counties Kaleva Jan 2023 #28
That's such a disingenuous stat, tho. Beautiful Disaster Jan 2023 #36
Trump would be a complete non factor in MI Kaleva Jan 2023 #45
The rural folks are the only reason the GOP is even competitive in these states. Beautiful Disaster Jan 2023 #46
It's the urban folks who make Trump competitive in these states Kaleva Jan 2023 #47
Trump won only 5% of the vote in Detroit. Beautiful Disaster Jan 2023 #59
Where did the majority of Trump's votes come from? Kaleva Jan 2023 #60
Trump in 2020 did as well in the Detroit region as Romney. Beautiful Disaster Jan 2023 #61
Look at the numbers and not the percentages Kaleva Jan 2023 #62
Na'. Beautiful Disaster Jan 2023 #63
It's overall numbers that decide elections in the states Kaleva Jan 2023 #64
Trump would not have won Michigan in 2016 if he had similar rural numbers as Romney did in 2012. Beautiful Disaster Jan 2023 #65
People like that are tribe-seekers GarColga Jan 2023 #31
Trump won Randolph County with 78% of the vote in 2020. Beautiful Disaster Jan 2023 #34
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