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Caliman73

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95. I have no expectation for the media to be cheerleaders...

Wed Jan 11, 2023, 01:09 PM

Jan 2023

My interpretation of the clip shown in the OP is different from yours.

The framing of the information and context in which it is communicated is important.

To my interpretation, the host and guest were focused on the controversy.

Rachel Maddow presented the information as well and simply said, that there was a uproar among people on the right over the story, then proceeded to provide all of the facts regarding the finding of the documents, the reporting to the National Archives, the return of the documents, and then said that if there were anymore or different details, there would be more reporting.

It is simply my opinion, that how the issue was presented in that clip was poor. I have no problem with you having a different opinion and interpretation.

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CNN rushed to scandalize new reporting on classified documents found at former Biden office [View all] LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 OP

I watched the linked clip. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #1

From the same article LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #2

It is a valid story, but the reporting is piss poor. Caliman73 Jan 2023 #6

CNN did focus on the facts and did differentiate between Biden's handling vs Trump's. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #7

I have no expectation for the media to be cheerleaders... Caliman73 Jan 2023 #95

CNN covered the distinguishing features of these two cases in great depth. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #97

I simply disagree Caliman73 Jan 2023 #99

So how long have (or did) you work for CNN Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #117

do they exist to be Republican cheerleaders? treestar Jan 2023 #160

No, as that's not the case. Not remotely so. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #161

I noticed Wolf Blitzer moondust Jan 2023 #3

What are you talking about? mcar Jan 2023 #12

Israel moondust Jan 2023 #14

Which has what to do with the OP? mcar Jan 2023 #26

I think Wolf is probably a decent guy, but he has over-hyped Dem issues. John1956PA Jan 2023 #19

Yep. That is a pretty shitty way to cover the story... Caliman73 Jan 2023 #4

Yes, it must be striken from the airways iemanja Jan 2023 #52

Who suggested that? FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #85

It doesn't appear that some here actually watched CNN's coverage of the documents iemanja Jan 2023 #87

We delude ourselves if we think DU is giving it oxygen. Caliman73 Jan 2023 #139

That is an EXCELLENT argument... Caliman73 Jan 2023 #96

This is in response to your post iemanja Jan 2023 #133

I guess nothing else grabs CNN right now, so they jumped on this. grumpyduck Jan 2023 #5

Bingo Rebl2 Jan 2023 #10

CNN is following the "stamp" of its new major shareholder and board member LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #82

? trying to take the "fair and balanced" mantle from Faux??..nt mitch96 Jan 2023 #8

Fox and CNN home pages are now essentially interchangeable, and outliers compared to actual news org LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #9

It's Not "nuance".. It's a fucking 180 Cha Jan 2023 #11

The CNN reporting has made points that are very similar to the ones offered up in this chart. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #18

Yes, The chart is from CNN. They seem to be all over the map. emulatorloo Jan 2023 #25

Not really. They are reporting on a breaking story in a responsible fashion. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #28

which is precisely what CNN said. iemanja Jan 2023 #53

Good. TY. Cha Jan 2023 #56

CNN pounded the differences last night. People seem to be criticising CNN based on Tweets Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #89

I'm sure corporate media's loyal defender(s) will be along to FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #13

too late with this, it already was happening Celerity Jan 2023 #15

Yeah, I should have looked first. FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #17

That makes two of us who are surprised by the things we read on a forum Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #16

You know, FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #21

Quite obvious, is right. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #24

+1 betsuni Jan 2023 #47

+1 MrsCoffee Jan 2023 #77

+++ emulatorloo Jan 2023 #81

I think most Du'ers know CNN has gone hard right lately and is trying to be just another Faux. emulatorloo Jan 2023 #27

LOL. That's not remotely true on any level. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #29

What's not true, Box? Are you unaware of Billionaire John Malone? emulatorloo Jan 2023 #30

You are citing a right-wing journalist who took this conspiracy from a far-right source Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #31

Yahoo article is from Daily Beast and Vox isn't right wing. emulatorloo Jan 2023 #32

The Free Beacon, the Daily Caller, and the Daily Mail are right-wing sources Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #33

The Daily Beast is not the same thing as the Daily Caller. Yahoo article cited Daily Beast. emulatorloo Jan 2023 #34

Lachland Cartwright cited the Free Beacon as his original "source" of this bogus conspiracy theory. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #35

Box, THE DAILY BEAST is not right wing. emulatorloo Jan 2023 #36

Did you read the article? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #37

I read the article. It appeared in The Daily Beast. Stop insinuating I cited The Daily Caller as emulatorloo Jan 2023 #38

And the author, who cited the Free Beacon as his source in this original Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #39

Now I am a right-wing conspiracy theorist? Lol emulatorloo Jan 2023 #40

Did you read what I actually wrote? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #105

I and others disagree-under new management, CNN had gone to the darkside LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #41

Making some staffing changes is normal during the change overs of network heads and Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #43

Perhaps you missed General Honore's warning. @CNN wants to be the new Fox LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #44

Why would I listen to a Republican general who is pushing a right-wing conspiracy theory? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #46

Thank you for the laughs. I strongly disagree with your claims LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #50

The right wing isn't running CNN, they are attacking CNN (which is nothing new). Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #54

They don't have to run it Genki Hikari Jan 2023 #119

Facinating. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #121

What more proof do you need? iemanja Jan 2023 #70

You mean the DUers who never watch CNN iemanja Jan 2023 #58

Then there's CNN, literally telling viewers that the "nuance" doesn't matter LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #42

Except the coverage, unlike what's claimed in the tweet, is nuanced. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #45

You are WRONG LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #48

No, I'm not wrong. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #49

They don't watch CNN iemanja Jan 2023 #57

And when one watches the videos that are linked in the tweets, they completely undermine outrageous Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #59

that's what I saw iemanja Jan 2023 #62

Yes, we watch these clips LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #64

Amazing how the MAGATS haven't gotten the news brief iemanja Jan 2023 #66

CNN has not become a FOX "clone" or anything remotely similar to a FOX "clone." Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #67

Denial is not just a river in Africa LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #91

You don't watch CNN (by your own admission) but accuse me of being in denial? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #92

So you object to me not wanting to be poorly informed? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #107

To answer your question, it is your choice whether you chose to be poorly informed (or not) Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #110

Again, denial is not just a river in Africa LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #112

Yes, denialism is a big problem. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #114

I think it's entertaining Sympthsical Jan 2023 #113

I also find it sad that people are comfortable with CNN becoming a clone of Fox News LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #60

Trump supporters are not calling the shots at CNN. That is utterly false. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #61

So John Malone is not a TFG supporter?? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #65

As I said in another post, John Malone neither runs CNN, nor does he own CNN. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #68

Read the Vanity Fair article posted LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #73

David Zaslav, a Democrat, is the CEO of Discovery Warner. Not John Malone. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #75

Do you ever tire of being WRONG? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #79

I worked in television for my entire carrer. I know how the business operates. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #128

So you think that this is fair and balanced reporting LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #131

I don't believe for a moment that CNN is following "the stamp" of John Malone. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #132

Chris Licht has literally turned CNN into Fox Jr. at this point. LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #135

It simply isn't true, but how would you know, given you don't watch? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #136

Denial is not just a river in Africa LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #137

You have used this expression multiple times. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #138

Sounds like you are still in denial LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #140

It is sad that people embrace obvious fallacious right-wing originated conspiracy theories. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #141

This is from a person who thinks that executive officers of a corporation do not report to directors LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #143

This is getting tiresome. The insults are quite unwarranted especially when Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #144

I am amused that you are unable to deal with facts that contradict your opinions LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #145

I hope that you are feeling alright. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #146

I am feeling fine but I live in the real world and understand the facts. LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #147

As a lawyer you must understand that trying to smear people with specious arguments Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #148

That is your uninformed opinion that you are uable to support with facts or reasoning LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #149

Funny that someone who doesn't watch CNN (by his own admission) wishes to discuss Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #150

Your unsupported opinions are meaningless in the real world and ignoring facts is sad LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #152

You are being uninformed by reading Tweets and watching YouTubers and using them Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #154

What is sad that you are unable to support your claims with facts LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #156

Posting non-germaine Tweets are not "facts." Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #157

The concept of relevancy is taught in both the trial course and the evidence law school courses LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #158

Like those of us who had long careers working in television find people who don't Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #159

Do you ever tire of being WRONG? LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #162

You are funny if you think posting irrelevant tweets proves me "wrong." LOL Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #163

The fact that you do not understand the relevance of the facts presented amuses me LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #164

What amuses me is that you think tweets by people like the unhinged Keith Olbermann Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #165

I know that you like being poorly informed and think that CNN is an actual news source LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #166

You "know" nothing of the sort. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #168

I worry about people who get their news from Fox and now I have to worry about people who watch CNN LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #169

You admit to not watching CNN. So how would you possibly have an informed opinion on the matter? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #170

I really hope that your devotion to a Fox clone means that you are getting needed vaccinations LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #171

CNN is not a "FOX clone" and repeating falsehoods doesn't make them true. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #172

That is your unsubstantiated opinion that you cannot support with facts LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #173

You invented totally false things made up out of whole cloth and attributed them to me. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #174

You seem to have issues with the concept of relevance LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #175

No, I don't have problems with "relevance." Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #176

Here are some relevant facts for you to ignore or not understand the relevance of such facts LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #177

You are WRONG- CNN canceled Reliable Sources and fired John Harwood LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #69

I spent my career working in television. Every single new network head makes personale changes Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #71

So you are conceding that the new ownership of CNN is "putting their own stamp" on CNN LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #72

No, the new president of CNN is putting his stamp on CNN Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #74

Again you are WRONG LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #80

John Malone is on the board of Discovery Warner (one of many board members) Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #88

Good moves for who? Republicons? FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #83

No, good for liberals who use reason and depend on truth. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #86

In terms of how Republicans cast it iemanja Jan 2023 #55

All of the news media's top stories are the same right now, not just CNN wishstar Jan 2023 #20

Corporate media received the talking points, FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #22

Sounds very conspiratorial. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #108

Anyone who pays attention knows that's how it works. FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #118

Yeah, I don't think so. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #120

Yes. Please educate yourself, I find that I'm actually feeling sorry for this display of ignorance. FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #122

I'm quite well-educated, but thanks for the insults. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #123

Heritage Foundation is just one example. FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #124

So there isn't just one central right-wing source that tells the media what to say Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #125

There's another simple phrase, easy to say when needed, FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #126

I don't embrace fantastical conspiracy theories myself. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #127

I SAID GOOD DAY!!!!! FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #129

That gag is tiresome. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #130

She should have used the word "transformative" in this context... does CNN pay these people? WarGamer Jan 2023 #23

Why is that? iemanja Jan 2023 #63

no no no... transformative is a better grammatical fit than transformational. WarGamer Jan 2023 #106

Fair enough iemanja Jan 2023 #134

I watched an excerpt on Wolf Blitzer tonight iemanja Jan 2023 #51

Exactly. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #94

It's about the only way the story can be reported and analyzed right now gulliver Jan 2023 #76

It's raining in this thread. MrsCoffee Jan 2023 #78

Yes, and it's the kind of rain one would encounter FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #84

The spread of right-wing originated conspiracy theories is something that ought to be counterted Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #93

It's not a conspiracy theory when it continues to happen over and over, right in front of our faces. W_HAMILTON Jan 2023 #100

Over and over? Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #101

Yes, over and over. W_HAMILTON Jan 2023 #102

The conspiracy theory went from the Free Beacon to an article in the Daily Beast (which I read). Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #103

LOL, I see what you did there. W_HAMILTON Jan 2023 #98

Someone has a strange obsession Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #151

I respect Media Matters but I think this is an overblown critique... brooklynite Jan 2023 #90

Correct. Here is the chart (which offers a pretty good synopsis of CNN's nuanced coverage): Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #104

LOL Even Fox is doing a better job of explainng things compared to CNN LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #109

I wouldn't know, I don't watch FOX. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #111

Are you sure? CNN and Fox are becoming more and more alike every day LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #115

Do you watch FOX? You said you don't watch CNN, yet you seem to have strong opinions Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #116

Keith Olbermann has a great example of how CNN is just like Fox with respect to MAL Special Master LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #142

Media Matters Chief 'Terrified' New CNN Strategy Will Lead to Takeover - By Rupert Murdoch LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #153

I'm at the gym now having just watched a promo... Montauk6 Jan 2023 #155

The purpose of the breathless bullshit is to poison the jury pool so Trump will not be convicted. dalton99a Jan 2023 #167