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H2O Man

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Tue Jan 17, 2023, 07:09 PM Jan 2023

Stalking [View all]

“Stalking someone you had a past with is nothing but self-torture and people who love themselves don't hurt themselves.”
― Sarvesh Jain


"Stalking" is apparently an issue in the Idaho case. Cell phone records indicate that the killer had been in the neighborhood near the victims' house at least twelve times leading up to the murders, was nearby at the time of the crime, and returned again approximately five hours later. There were also previous reports that one of the victims thought she was being stalked. As a result, some experts from various fields have stated it is likely the murderer had encountered one or more of his victims in the past.

Since stalking is an all too common problem -- usually involving a man stalking a woman -- I thought I'd provide some information on the three primary types of stalking. These are distinct from a junior high student with a crush on a girl, lacking the confidence to approach her to attempt to strike up a conversation, and instead following from a distance. Yet, this might be considered a 4th type, at the lowest end of the risk scale.

The next type, which often results in police and/or mental health interventions, involves the guy who just cannot accept that "she" broke up with him. This can be in the context of dating, living together, or married couples. Generally, the guy thinks that if she will only listen to him beg for another chance, thinngs will work out just dandy.

Next, we find the type where the man seeks to intimidate the women. Like the last example, this fellow wants to be seen. But he is looking to scare the woman he is stalking. He fully intends for his action to be viewed as threatening. In general, we can identify the increasing dangers that each one poses. This in no sense means there are not violent junior high students, or guys who think, "If I can't have her, no one can." But intimifation stalkers are more prone to doing anything from violating orders of protection, popping car tires, or physical assaults.

The last type is what took place in Idaho. It is known as predatory stalking. While it may involve someone who thought, for example, his prey insulted him somewhere that she may not be aware of, it is frequently a complete stranger. The only connection exists exclusively between the stalker's ears. By no coincidence, this type has a close relationship with cases or rape and/or murder. The BTK killer comes to mind.

Predatory stalkers are best understood as very much like other animals that stalk prey. One could view them as similar to both felidae and lizards. Indeed, it appears that in these men, their "lizard brain" is calling many of their behaviors. More, they tend to increase their staking behaviors over time.

Thus, some experts expect that the Idaho murderer's defense team will argue that his DNA could have been found as a result of his attending a party there. I'd say perhaps in their opening or closing statements, but it seems unlikely they will find anyone who would testify to that. Including him.

Although it is extremely unlikely we will ever know, one thing that the evidence seems to point to is that he had snuck into the house previously, when everyone was sleeping. The timing of his cell phone pings show he was in the neighborhood late at night on several occasions. Just as the Manson family engaged in "creepy crawling," for example, late night break-ins are not uncommon before this time of murder.

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Stalking [View all] H2O Man Jan 2023 OP
So terrifying to think of those poor girls knowing there was someone stalking Saoirse9 Jan 2023 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2023 #3
No nightmare! Saoirse9 Jan 2023 #9
That's good! H2O Man Jan 2023 #12
Maybe it is posted elsewhere in the thread Saoirse9 Jan 2023 #26
All great points H2O Man. MontanaMama Jan 2023 #2
Very interesting! H2O Man Jan 2023 #4
Again YOU raise excellent points. MontanaMama Jan 2023 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2023 #13
I hope you're okay! MontanaMama Jan 2023 #21
Thanks! H2O Man Jan 2023 #23
Golly I had the same experience Saoirse9 Jan 2023 #11
Long ago, H2O Man Jan 2023 #15
Wow. Your post gave me chills, Saoirse. MontanaMama Jan 2023 #20
My stalker used my nickname Saoirse9 Jan 2023 #27
I relayed your post to my husband just now... MontanaMama Jan 2023 #29
So creepy isn't it? Saoirse9 Jan 2023 #30
I'm not convinced this was stalking Warpy Jan 2023 #6
Stalking is a behavior, H2O Man Jan 2023 #8
Again, we disasgree Warpy Jan 2023 #14
I don't think we disagree on that much. H2O Man Jan 2023 #16
I was stalked by my first husband when I left him. wnylib Jan 2023 #7
That's a good example H2O Man Jan 2023 #10
Thanks, H2O Man. There were several other wnylib Jan 2023 #17
Once again, you raise H2O Man Jan 2023 #18
In my case, I was too afraid to not seek support. wnylib Jan 2023 #19
That is great to hear! H2O Man Jan 2023 #22
When in a threatening situation, take advantage wnylib Jan 2023 #24
I believe in clear communication. H2O Man Jan 2023 #25
That's quite a situation to be in. wnylib Jan 2023 #28
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