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In reply to the discussion: Trump is toast. [View all]

wnylib

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79. You really think that he could get elected in 2024?
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 09:39 PM
Feb 2023

I don't. He's dangerous because he would again not accept a loss and would claim that he won and try to get in office by force.

But this time, he would not be the one already in office to pull the strings of government in his favor, like making security forces stand down. Biden would be in charge of responding to his violence.

The violence would be worse than Jan 6 because his militias have had time to plan attacks.

But that's assuming that he would be the nominee for 2024. The OP is suggesting that he won't be, and that someone else would be the Republican candidate because Trump would not have backing from people with money and power. They would oppose him as the Republican candidate and back someone else. That's what I was responding to - the OP's suggestion that someone else could be the party's choice for 2024 because Trump is getting more opposition from his own party and is losing some support. He is not a shoo-in for the nomination.

The danger from Trump is not that he would get elected, but what he would do if he loses the nomination or the general election if he runs as an Independent.

I do not underestimate the danger that he poses as a 2 time loser. If anything, I'm inclined to estimate the level of violence that he would provoke as higher than most people do. I have Malcom Nance's book, They Want to Kill Americans. He lays out in it just how many militia types that Trump could call upon and the level of their training, experience, and weapons capabilities.

But, again, I was responding to the hypothetical proposed in the OP, that Trump would not be the Republican 2024 candidate.


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Trump is toast. [View all] werdna Feb 2023 OP
Their wording was a little weaselly, which makes me nervous they could Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #1
Yeah, Whatever SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #2
I think this is significant, though. If the Koch people have come out Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #5
I certainly hope this will take him out of politics. COL Mustard Feb 2023 #30
Don't forget he doesn't pay cities to host his hate rallies. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2023 #32
It's not so much him as it is the republiQans down-ticket who do depend Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #91
So what does that mean? Say someone is running for gov Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2023 #98
If the party line from Koch and the money guys is that tfg is persona non-grata, yes. Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #100
Remember TFG was going to finance his own campaign!? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2023 #101
Lol! Yeah, right? Also, I am the queen of Belgium. Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author EYESORE 9001 Feb 2023 #15
+1. They're just looking for someone who can Fascist better. Hiawatha Pete Feb 2023 #25
Right - until he pulls in 40% of the primary vote and the other 20 candidates Cosmocat Feb 2023 #45
+100 SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #52
Exactly! MuseRider Feb 2023 #58
Trump is already toast Botany Feb 2023 #3
Without a conviction, that doesn't apply. Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #6
Or Without An Indictment, For That Matter SoCalDavidS Feb 2023 #13
Correct newdayneeded Feb 2023 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2023 #26
as adjudicated by whom? The Republican National Party? stopdiggin Feb 2023 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2023 #37
wasn't angst. serious question. WHO is going to keep stopdiggin Feb 2023 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2023 #51
Yeah good luck with that. BannonsLiver Feb 2023 #63
Why Trump is "burnt toast"...He said these words..."It's all a hoax" in referring to the pandemic. Stuart G Feb 2023 #94
Exactly what I said when the rzemanfl Feb 2023 #4
Hey! Where've you been? Good to see you! Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #7
I drop by now and then. rzemanfl Feb 2023 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2023 #27
It is sock season here. rzemanfl Feb 2023 #76
I hope all is well. Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #78
+1 dalton99a Feb 2023 #9
The Koch alternative might be worse. wnylib Feb 2023 #8
We were always going to have to deal with what came after him, though. Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #10
good point. stopdiggin Feb 2023 #40
"spittle flecked bizarro" Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #92
True. Trump does have a bizzare kind of charisma. wnylib Feb 2023 #54
So you prefer TFG? Kaleva Feb 2023 #12
I hate these "they might be worse than trump" newdayneeded Feb 2023 #18
A major reason that DeSantis won't copy-cat Trump with the same group of worshippers: Eyeball_Kid Feb 2023 #20
"DeSantis doesn't look Aryan enough" Polybius Feb 2023 #56
Agree. mountain grammy Feb 2023 #23
See my #67 wnylib Feb 2023 #68
It's a certainty that the next Republican will be worse fescuerescue Feb 2023 #57
You think Liz Cheney would newdayneeded Feb 2023 #59
Well I'm talking about a candidate that might win fescuerescue Feb 2023 #60
Not just right wing, but far right extremist views. wnylib Feb 2023 #69
What a crock of BS. Why in hell would I, a solid Democrat, wnylib Feb 2023 #67
I absolutely stand by my post, newdayneeded Feb 2023 #74
You really think that he could get elected in 2024? wnylib Feb 2023 #79
Just to add, newdayneeded Feb 2023 #93
What a silly question. Never said that I did. wnylib Feb 2023 #66
I don't see Liz as wanting to cancel democracy. DeSantis has fascist dictator written all over him. Hotler Feb 2023 #14
She seemed fine with it prior to Jan 6. Gore1FL Feb 2023 #28
My inthewind21 Feb 2023 #96
I don't see them drmeow Feb 2023 #62
There's no "might" about it if it's DeSantis. BannonsLiver Feb 2023 #64
Should have been toast two years ago after he Emile Feb 2023 #11
Post removed Post removed Feb 2023 #16
Who has bought Biden? AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2023 #21
Until we enact real election reform, dark money will select our leaders, Even the DNC voted lindysalsagal Feb 2023 #38
So Biden is corrupt. AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2023 #39
+1 betsuni Feb 2023 #71
When you play this game, are you fucking with the person Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #77
What game? AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2023 #80
Do you truly think the poster is saying Biden is corrupt? Is that Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #81
If the poster didn't mean to imply that Biden was beholden AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2023 #82
You aren't answering the question. Do you understand the poster does not Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #84
No I don't understand that AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2023 #85
So it is a comprehension issue. Thank you. I had been wondering. Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #86
You know how to easily avoid these apparent misunderstandings? AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2023 #87
Have a nice night! Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #88
broad brush. vast oversimplification stopdiggin Feb 2023 #43
How does that work when Biden didn't have as much money as some other candidates in 2020 but betsuni Feb 2023 #70
It's voter supression AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2023 #73
Populism: the Establishment is corrupt, bribed by oligarchs and billionaires. Everything's rigged. betsuni Feb 2023 #89
It would be nice to be glad that TFG is "toast", except for the fact that an entire cabal Firestorm49 Feb 2023 #19
Believe it or not, they never really supported him in 2016 (or supposedly anyone then) BumRushDaShow Feb 2023 #24
He knows Biden can beat Rump. tavernier Feb 2023 #29
I like these two words: "direct challange." I also wonder if this "network" is telling:"the truth"? Stuart G Feb 2023 #31
I don't believe it. They always fall in line at the end of the day Marius25 Feb 2023 #33
YEP Cosmocat Feb 2023 #47
Too early to say. Like 2015, everything is subject to change. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2023 #34
he was toast when he killed limbaugh. kochs wouldn't dare if limbaugh still supported him certainot Feb 2023 #36
May I propose a toast pic? trusty elf Feb 2023 #41
LPT for sharing links Glaisne Feb 2023 #42
nice tip. didn't know that. stopdiggin Feb 2023 #46
Good to know. Thanks! moonscape Feb 2023 #48
Sure wish I had a buck for every time I'd seen that posted. BlackSkimmer Feb 2023 #44
+1 n/t area51 Feb 2023 #95
This will be fun to watch LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2023 #50
They all act like Trump won't burn down the GOP if he doesn't get what he wants. Glorious. ZonkerHarris Feb 2023 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2023 #55
It doesn't matter since he derives his political power from the loyalty of his crazed supporters. W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #61
DeSatan is way more dangerous than Trump GenThePerservering Feb 2023 #65
What did I just read here? newdayneeded Feb 2023 #72
A keyboard revolutionary pretending to be tough nt AZSkiffyGeek Feb 2023 #75
Agreed inthewind21 Feb 2023 #97
Nothing but an attempted coup iemanja Feb 2023 #103
Charles Koch never was a fan of Trump Polybius Feb 2023 #83
Koch and his like are pro-free market, pro-immigration, pro-trade. Establishment. betsuni Feb 2023 #90
He doesn't need a ton of money to win the GOP nomination Jose Garcia Feb 2023 #99
Then we get DeSantis iemanja Feb 2023 #102
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