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In It to Win It

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59. I agree with
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 07:30 PM
Feb 2023
To me, it seems the youth vote in Florida seems to be much further to the left than most Democrats, which puts them at odds not only with most of Florida right now, but Democrats as well.


I think Florida Democrats are largely moderate, so they tend to put up relatively moderate candidates (2022 being the classic example of choosing a moderate in Charlie Crist over Nikki Fried). However, the more liberal young voters aren't going to show up for Charlie Crist. That isn't good for Democratic candidates in Florida because there is no room to sacrifice voters. Every single part of the Democratic coalition is needed in Florida. Democratic turnout is not that reliable IMO so therefore you can't afford to turnoff moderates to target more liberal voters and you can't afford to turn off liberal voters to target moderate voters. You need them all to have a sliver of a chance at winning.

It's another reason why I think Democrats as a whole should focus their efforts elsewhere in the nation until those on the left in Florida get their act together.


I think this will never happen without national Democrats. The Florida Democratic Party needs help, outside help. "Outside help" doesn't mean just showing up during the election season, which is what usually happens, and then going back to ignoring Florida afterwards. I'm of the opinion that if we wait for that to happen, Democrats will never win Florida again. Florida Republicans have year-round engagement. Florida Republicans have the support of the larger and broader Republican party. Florida Republicans remain well-funded for longer periods of time while Florida Democrats don't. The broader Republican party remains engaged in Florida while the broader Democratic party doesn't (and hasn't) IMO.

Democrats try to gain a foothold (adding constitutional amendments to re-enfranchise former felons, to end gerymandering, etc), we still end up with the short end of the stick even when we're successful.

I'm not one that thinks Florida is lost for a generation. I think Florida can be winnable again. As I've stated in a previous post, Florida has over 14 million voters. Only about 53% of them actually turned out. Ron DeSantis won Miami-Dade County in 2022, one of the big blue counties Democrats rely on for votes, but there was only around 47% turnout. With over 14 million voters, Ron DeSantis won re-election with 4.6 million votes.

My point in saying all of this is that there is room for growth, but that's only if the party is willing to invest and put in the time. I can't be the only Democrat in Florida that feels like the broader Party has largely abandoned us.
Does the majority support fascism in Florida? Mysterian Feb 2023 #1
Apparently so. The majority of voters wanted to put the evil dick-tator back into office Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #7
Not so. I'm blue in this autocratic state, but there is a growing number of registered youth that ancianita Feb 2023 #10
Going to take decades madville Feb 2023 #34
Holy cow, that's awful! ShazzieB Feb 2023 #72
Still don't get how senior citizens in that state support idiots trying to make their lives more SouthernDem4ever Feb 2023 #80
The Republican retirees moving into the state far outnumber the up and coming youth. Mariana Feb 2023 #45
I hear you. ancianita Feb 2023 #63
But they are kinda pissed that their tax money is going to subsidize costs of the developers. Mariana Feb 2023 #70
Yep, I get that. Local news present Villages' tax protests as influential, but they're really not. ancianita Feb 2023 #71
They are if they get TV news coverage. calimary Feb 2023 #84
In one sense. But local coverage makes it look as if they'll sway the heavyweights, when they won't, ancianita Feb 2023 #85
What I personally find most galling is the abnormally large effort calimary Feb 2023 #86
It is galling. But look, ancianita Feb 2023 #87
Unfortunately, I think that may be part of the problem. W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #54
I agree with In It to Win It Feb 2023 #59
I have helped with GOTV efforts in Florida in the past... W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #61
I don't disagree In It to Win It Feb 2023 #67
Maybe it's because I never had any kids SouthernLiberal Feb 2023 #73
Don't know what having kids has to do with this, but ancianita Feb 2023 #79
It is! otchmoson Feb 2023 #12
I'm frustrated as hell. But I'm old and can only hope our young voters can see thru this crap. Not allegorical oracle Feb 2023 #17
It's very frustrating In It to Win It Feb 2023 #32
I can imagine...it's frustrating to watch from California BlueWaveNeverEnd Feb 2023 #41
It's what happens when many don't bother to show up and vote In It to Win It Feb 2023 #18
Also happens when voters are disenfranchised like this 👇🏽 live love laugh Feb 2023 #44
+1, people don't understand how effective these dictator measures are even when MAGA doubles uponit7771 Feb 2023 #78
Or the state has some the lowest voter access in the union? uponit7771 Feb 2023 #75
The majority apparently only listens to FAUX NEWS. The cancer that has metastasized throughout..... usaf-vet Feb 2023 #47
fox is a decoy. not only is talk radio a bigger problem, it would be easy to fix. fox is part of the certainot Feb 2023 #81
No arguments from me other than we only have a weather radio in the house and when in the car.... usaf-vet Feb 2023 #82
The majority of the voting age public that gets off their ass to actually vote, is fascist in FL. spudspud Feb 2023 #50
it is disgusting that ANYONE votes for someone as fascist as DeSantis Skittles Feb 2023 #58
No, but cause red states like Florida, Texas, Missouri are dictatorships little they can do about it uponit7771 Feb 2023 #74
I am lucky enough to have been raised in the Pittsburgh area during the Roberto years. blue neen Feb 2023 #2
Me too Mysterian Feb 2023 #21
Wow! That's got to be very special for you! blue neen Feb 2023 #28
I think the little pissant Cha Feb 2023 #3
Yes republianmushroom Feb 2023 #4
Why ban picture books? cbabe Feb 2023 #5
It's not just Clemente... regnaD kciN Feb 2023 #6
Roberto Clemente was a far better baseball player than DeSantis could ever have been. blue neen Feb 2023 #8
Forget better baseball player... caraher Feb 2023 #11
100% agreed. blue neen Feb 2023 #19
Well, he sure can "model" the hell out of those 'white boots', can't he??? DemocraticPatriot Feb 2023 #57
OMG! DeSatan looked ridiculous in those white boots! blue neen Feb 2023 #60
Those children will have sterile minds and know nothing but bigotry and hate bucolic_frolic Feb 2023 #9
No, they'll go find those books and read them. The FL literacy rate will probably rise over ancianita Feb 2023 #14
Let's hope that the children are smarter than the politicians, and I think they are. erronis Feb 2023 #15
Oh, they are. ancianita Feb 2023 #62
Keep censoring latino history. Baitball Blogger Feb 2023 #13
I am too tired of this. NHvet Feb 2023 #16
That same Florida district banned hundreds of other books, including picture books pnwmom Feb 2023 #20
"Knots on a Counting Rope" is a book I read many times to my kids. It's very touching and panader0 Feb 2023 #68
I'm sure it was banned because of the non-white characters. pnwmom Feb 2023 #69
The kids will grow up thinking other races and genders weren't Ilsa Feb 2023 #22
Thanks for showing the beautiful book cover. yorkster Feb 2023 #23
I nominate this book to be the next one banned in Florida OnlinePoker Feb 2023 #24
God that picture on the cover. plimsoll Feb 2023 #26
Good ghod lambchopp59 Feb 2023 #33
Goes back at least to John C Calhoun NullTuples Feb 2023 #39
I'll wait for it to hit the "remainder" table. HubertHeaver Feb 2023 #48
May reason help us! burrowowl Feb 2023 #49
My recollection is that Florida was the most fervent state supporting the confederacy. plimsoll Feb 2023 #25
We fight for the uninformed middle. The Jungle 1 Feb 2023 #27
And yet people are still moving Tickle Feb 2023 #29
And it just keeps getting more red madville Feb 2023 #31
Is DeSantis thinking one down Tickle Feb 2023 #36
Apparently DeSantis isn't satisfied with pissing off the black people. patphil Feb 2023 #30
Enough! Joinfortmill Feb 2023 #35
Way past time for hitting the streets in Florida, en masse. (nt) Paladin Feb 2023 #37
The bad thing is Florida keeps voting for this shit too. Initech Feb 2023 #66
Not all of Florida. Not by a long shot. Paladin Feb 2023 #76
Yeah, can't have the kiddies finding out Grammaw and Grampaw were mean to baseball heroes Warpy Feb 2023 #38
Can't wait for Disney's cartoon version of Birth of a Nation maxrandb Feb 2023 #40
_ LudwigPastorius Feb 2023 #42
But it's disturbing ''White Comfort'', so it has to be pulled. n/t aggiesal Feb 2023 #43
White fragility on open display. Iggo Feb 2023 #46
It was probably the word "pride" on the cover that got it banned. Chainfire Feb 2023 #51
Sick people in Florida doing sick things sick people do. Scalded Nun Feb 2023 #52
They should pass out the number 3,000 in Florida. GreenWave Feb 2023 #53
They removed a Hank Aaron book too** NGeorgian Feb 2023 #55
Where is General Sherman when we need him ??? DemocraticPatriot Feb 2023 #56
Here's the list - 176 books are banned for school children in Duval County, FL FakeNoose Feb 2023 #64
Hey Ronnie, go shove your reviews up your ass! Initech Feb 2023 #65
DeSantis would love this book JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2023 #77
Oh FFS Jilly_in_VA Feb 2023 #83
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