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ProfessorGAC

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12. The Biggest Danger...
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 08:13 PM
Feb 2023

...which burning doesn't solve is the micro/nanoscopic particles of low molecular weight PVC.
Vinyl chloride reacts with atmospheric moisture to form a polymer but uncontrollable mass transfer results in termination at low oligomer weight.
That stuff isn't there to burn. It's already on and in the ground so not part of the fuel.
It's a moderate health hazard but a substantial environmental issue. Geez, there's too much microplastic in the environment already.
And, if in fact they burned in place, burning without scrubbers concerns me because of the release of hydrogen chloride & chlorine gasses.
The initial release to prevent explosion seemed wise to me. This remediation method is highly suspect.

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A lot of Conspiracy Theory in the replies. Included folks claiming the "media" didn't cover it emulatorloo Feb 2023 #1
Correct. I put it on DU within an hour of it occurring. John1956PA Feb 2023 #4
... Faux pas Feb 2023 #2
Here's a great DU thread that merits a read Brother Buzz Feb 2023 #3
There has been a paucity of coverage gratuitous Feb 2023 #5
I've been unable to find a statement by President Biden on this incident liberal_mama Feb 2023 #6
DeWine has visited a couple of times. Diamond_Dog Feb 2023 #7
I don't understand why they aren't making a bigger deal of this liberal_mama Feb 2023 #8
I live just over ten miles due east of the site. John1956PA Feb 2023 #9
Yeah, just burn a bunch of toxic waste and don't bother evacuating people. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2023 #10
There was an evacuation order for residents in the one-mile radius of the derailment. John1956PA Feb 2023 #11
Vinyl chloride smoke is going to be dangerous for more than a 1 mile radius. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2023 #14
My brother lives in farm country 2.5 mile due east of the derailment site. John1956PA Feb 2023 #15
The Biggest Danger... ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #12
Leave it to P-GAC to drop the fact bombs... WarGamer Feb 2023 #13
Thanks but I don't understand the burning without scrubbers part. Disaffected Feb 2023 #16
I think vinyl chloride is a gas at ambient temperatures. John1956PA Feb 2023 #18
Ahh yes, might explain why it was ignited rather than collected and moved off. Disaffected Feb 2023 #19
There might be portable scrubbers which consist mostly of fire hoses spraying a mist of water. n/t John1956PA Feb 2023 #20
There Are Actually Portable Scrubber Systems ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #25
There Are Flatbed Scrubbers ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #21
OK but if the stuff is still contained within the tank cars, Disaffected Feb 2023 #27
I'm Highly Suspicious Of That Report ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #30
I've never seen one either but Disaffected Feb 2023 #31
Not Accurate ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #32
I'm not sure what you are referring to as Disaffected Feb 2023 #33
I'm Done ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #34
You misunderstand my intentions. Disaffected Feb 2023 #35
I'm sorry for being wrong upthread about the means of keeping the substance liquid during transport. John1956PA Feb 2023 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #22
Somebody Already Partly Addressed It ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #24
Another thought I had - will this affect the ozone overhead? FakeNoose Feb 2023 #17
Probably Not ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #23
I imagine the volume of released gases Disaffected Feb 2023 #28
Accurate ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #29
Thank you for the insight Sympthsical Feb 2023 #26
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